Allow publishing the notedeck apps via nostr itself, like how it's done in Zapstore

yeah i definitely want to do this

You don’t have to love every shiny new toy to know where your time is best spent. Ecash fans can obsess all they want, but if it doesn’t pull your focus or spark your brain, that’s just reality, not hate.

Ecash has one slight advantage to "new L2s": it's real and it works.

and they get mad when im not interested. like what!?

let em

not an L2 though so unfortunately my interest falls off a cliff that that point :(. bitcoin things with utxos and unilateral exits are just too much fun.

People take it personal when you don’t share their hype. Just keep doing you.

It's a credit token, making it a L3. Bitcoin - L1, asset layer Lightning - L2, coupon layer Ecash - L3, credit layer.

What are your expectations for a new L2 that exceed lightnings capabilities?

Something that doesn’t require you to run a server for custody. Non-interactive L2 protocols automatically handled by script would be nice

How do you feel about LNhance? Do you think with that, CTV and Ark we’ll have a sufficient L2 to onboard the world without custodians? I’m a fan of cashu for things like ehash or for passing offline payments like when connecting to a Tollgate. Also great for onboarding new people today who don’t have inbound liquidity for their own channels.

I’m not an expert so i defer to reardon on those things, apparently instagibbs has yet another proposal post-LNhance, but i don’t follow it closely enough

I cannot figure out what ecash solves but maybe I’m dumb and missing the point 🤷‍♂️

digital cash you can move around in cyberspace. pretty cool, maybe it would be better as a lightning extension somehow 🤔

It is an interesting phenomenon, the hype. Good luck ecash, but to me it seems a beautiful castle of innovation built on extremely shaky assumptions, which would likely void the innovation. A lot of money has been poured into it, so I guess I'm missing something. I just can't reconcile it making sense, it's like trusting darkmarkets to store your coins. Privacy with a custodial solution is more a bug than a feature. If you want privacy better options exist. Onchain/lightning/ark/nostr/liquid/covenants/swaps 👌. Rest feels like somewhat of a distraction.

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Seems like extra steps with custodial elements

It’s good for onboarding new user to lightning without them having to pay to open a channel… then a good way to stay no kyc… add forward privacy for small payments if your stack is kyc… With lightning… both the sender and receiver hsve to be online… With ecash you can do offline payments. It solves the problem of if the lightning network is failing or having issues… It could possibly solve tons of problems… Who knows. It’s better at micro payments and batching small payments than reg lightning ⚡️ But even not just what problems does it solve or will it solve in the future… The part I think is crazy is that you can send ecash sats from an ecash wallet —— to a lightning wallet… And you can send lightning sats from an ecash lightning ⚡️ wallet to an ecash wallet. They are interoperable… Idk most of what I said is probably incorrect tho….🤣

I guess I just never saw it as a token. To me it looks like sats….

Shaky assumptions that would void innovation? I was skeptical at first to And people judge and seem to have opinions on things before they even try it out. What I’m saying is that ecash is part of the innovation. Not voiding innovation. At least download a wallet and send a couple sats around to see the magic of it. With npub.cash the sats are literally like in your Nostr relays or something crazy in your browser. Minibits is a cool wallet to try out Cashu.me Zeus wallet All I’m saying is don’t dismiss it till you experiment a lil ….

in the context of cashu, its a token that gives you permission to move sats in a lightning channel someone else controls, assuming they keep the server running for the duration you hold the token, and if they have enough liquidity to move it. The token itself has nothing to do with bitcoin. custodial lightning isn’t much better, but it less software and less complex. non-custodial lightning is much more fun. you don’t have to worry about people rugging you or randomly disappearing with your money one day. I can’t imagine running my business on someone elses node.

i could also spin up an ecash server and have 0 bitcoin backing anything, users would look like they are sending money back and forth, sending offline, etc. At the end of the day none of that actually matters until you try to redeem it for real bitcoin. You’re describing an emotional reaction to fooling yourself and saying thats better ux. It may feel like it’s working but thats just a lie until you verify it’s real via lightning.