Yes, more focus on outcomes, less on celebrity.

Another thing is crowdfunding, like on Geyser. Mostly still an influencer/celebrity thing, that doesn't really work for Nostr development teams, but maybe one day. Who knows?

I really hope it becomes a thing to support outcomes through zaps

Any chance you can make it to the hackday? I think this sort of input would be really valuable...

I guess there might also be a distinction between a team and a movement. Latecomers to a movement might start putting the people who started the movement on a pedestal. Maybe it's just human nature...

Can you broadcast that note? I can't see it or find it in search.

Yeah, a team is an attempt to maximize the efficient use of available resources. It's something inherently capitalistic (a group leveraging their joint labor and the means of production, to increase productivity, in the hope of eventually increasing profits). A movement is just people imitating the behavior of someone prominent and paying them homage, in the hopes that some good things will spring out in return. I've compared it to a cargo cult. If you write in ALL CAPS or cheer the appropriate OpenSats post, and jump through their hoops, the lightning gods will make Bitcoin rain down on you. And that really does work, so it'll just stay that way, forever. Only a few oddballs, like us, will even try to do their own thing. Teams, tend to be self-directed and have their own ideas of what they want to do or where they want to take their projects. They will resist submission because they have their own internal leadership. There are no teams in a cargo cult.

That's quite far away. 👀 I'm down near Munich.

The video is actually kinda sinister.

Interesting, yes I see a lot of value in working with others who bring insights or skills that I don't have and have the conviction to take things in a new directions. However, I also see value in a project having visibility, users and momentum. Not sure if you had the audio on in the movement video. The narrator does emphasize the importance of the second and third participants rather than the person who started it. Perhaps both teams and momentum/movement are required for impact...

There is also a RaspiBlitz hackday on the 10th and BTC++ on the 11th to 13th. So lots of reasons to come. I might even have a spare ticket for BTC++...

I guess the word "leader" comes with a lot of baggage...

A team that is too deeply integrated into a movement is just a cluster of followers. It isn't capable of independent or novel ideas, and won't add much to the overall effort, beyond what the individuals would each add. It has to make sure everything will be approved by the movement, particularly the leaders, and will just emit more groupthink and make incremental changes. It's a mere spin-off, not an independent organisation. Spin-offs are useful, but if you only have spin-offs...

Hmm ya I can relate to that. Would you say that the movement around Bitcoin is bad for Bitcoin? So far my assumption was that it's a requirement at an early stage... Perhaps the movement nurtured Bitcoin in the beginning and hinders it later on.

I know more people that have been grossed out by it, than turned on, but Bitcoin contains its own acquisition-incentive, as a money.