Imagine working in marketing and social media for your full time job and then one weekend boom 💥 Welcome to the UK..... yes you are protecting me from doing my job! Need to find a way around this asap! image

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Condor 5 months ago
It was expected. They make those services necessary, then you need to comply. Find another job and send them to hell.
I have been here since day 1 onboarded thousands in the beginning days of Nostr, I have never stopped! I run a corporate account and plug nostr as when I can always.
Because they are constantly changing. They are home broadband connections with constantly changing IPs, providers and users. And there are typically over 20,000 available at any time out of around 100,000 providers.
Constantly changing doesn’t mean someone can’t automate the process of detecting and marking them. Not to mention if such a practice happened it would severly hamper the experience of the node hosters, forcing them to shut down or deal with bad experience.
Also You don't know what the exit IP is until you connect to it. You need to spend $MYST to connect to it. To build even a current list of available exit nodes would cost thousands of dollars. You'd need to do that every few hours to keep it current. You'd need an army of bots spending thousands of dollars of $MYST to capture that data.
IPs don’t shift as rapidly as you think. Usually nodes go down/up based on if for example the owner is awake. People that want to build lists can ignore nodes they already saw in the last 6-24h. And they would have a lot of $$$. After negative reviews start rolling in more people would shut down their nodes. Each node they can find and make life hell for is another node that they won’t have to worry paying again.
And the node wouldn’t work for end users either, so you would actually see your pay drop because they can’t get around blocks with it anymore. This would then drive users to complain and make the situation even worse.
You telling me, an ISP and data centre founder and owner what I think? Really? Negative reviews? You think there are reviews, you think there is information. You haven't understood anything. It's decentralised, with zero knowledge, nobody knows anything. Try to understand how it works before you tell me what's wrong with it, otherwise I'll be forced to adapt this meme to MYST 😂 image
The time to pivot to a permissionless protocol like Nostr was years ago. The next best time is now. Marketeers are usually selling dumb things to the masses which ironically makes them align with the same dumb masses than watching out for the future. Dumb people do dumb things.
Each node has an ID. Someone that wants to build a list could connect to each node every 48h and pay a fee. Sure, you earned say 20 cents. What happens next is your node stops working for what people want it for. So people stop using your node, decreasing your total income. As this becomes widespread, people stop using Mysterium in general, and no one wants to use it because everyone has bad experiences. There are companies charging 6-digit sums per customer for IP data, and you think that this is too much for them.
Imagine a nocoiner telling you why governments can shut down Bitcoin or why it's a ponzi or how it's boiling the ocean. Then remember how deep the Bitcoin rabbit hole goes. Mysterium is not at the same level, but it is a rabbit hole that is worth a few months of your time studying if you're interested. If not, then have fun staying centralised with your VPN
Bitcoin works even when everyone is censoring it as long as you and your recipient use it. The asymmetry is on the side of the users. Mysterium’s value proposition apart when the target website blocks it. To block Mysterium takes a sum of cash any company can easily find. This then leads to node earnings dropping. Operators spend more time for the same earnings. Users get frustrated as they have to try multiple nodes to find one that works. The asymmetry is not on the side of the users.
You have still not provided a reasonable counter to my arguments beyond “just study it”. If you make claims, you show proof. The proof is there for anyone with common sense that it is an uphill battle for any (decentralized) VPN to bypass blocking.
There are 2 cases. Either this is in fact revolutionary, or that it is bullshit. You have shown nothing that makes me even slightly lean towards the former.
If you are genuinely trying to understand and wondering why I've given up discussing it, we may have a cultural or spectrum clash. My view of the world is if you don't understand something, you ask questions, or at most humbly suggest possibilities, you don't tell an relative expert how the thing you don't understand works and expect a civilised response. Telling a founder of the commercial Internet they may not understand how often IPs are changed is probably not a wise tactic if you wish to engage me or seek information from me. Telling me how Mysterium works after a cursory look at the website or interface is probably a bad idea. Asking me if you understand something correctly after a quick inspection is a much wiser approach and will incentivise me to provide help and support. This feedback may help you engage others more successfully in the future. I wish you well 🫂
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R 5 months ago
This response makes me 😁
I asked you how it would not be possible to build a list of IPs running Mysterium, and how any of the things you mentioned like nodes going offline/online throughout the day or connection costs would impede a motivated attacker. You then instead told me that I didn’t get it and that you have more experience so I must be wrong. To be humble you need to understand there is always things you don’t know or understand, and that your mental model of things may be incorrect 🫂
I have not looked at the website but intuitively I feel like I think I know how this would work and it makes sense… it’s like never ending infinite ports out technically in my mind so now I have to go down this damn rabbit hole of mysterium