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I think that Ontario should literally kick Alberta out. Alberta is full of rednecks that are deeply involved in their kill culture and have no place in Canada. Albertans are a gross fringe minority and don't work for the money that is afforded them.
socialism surely must be ded after this cycle. i mean, can you imagine these people actually getting off their arses and slinging a rifle? or laying bricks? the privilege level on them is obscene
the Tito version was the best, and almost nearly was effective. it's quite interesting to study how yugoslavian companies functioned. probably they were better organised than any modern capitalist version. the rest of the system was fucked though. but it's a fact that almost everyone knows of Gorenje brand of kitchen appliances. they were exporting and competing well against the rest of europe for the market. That was Slovenia. Slovenia in particular was probably the most effective of the former yugoslavian republics for manufacturing. i encounter their devices on a daily basis and their price point is below every other thing and the quality is better than china by at least a factor of 2.
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BTC_P2P 4 days ago
This is what extinction looks like
claude wrote a nice potted answer that should clear it up and also shows why it was superior to the western capitalist model. it's probaably something that you would want if you were a worker in an organisation: Worker self-management — samoupravljanje. The workers' council ran the company. Elected management, decided wages, controlled investment. Not a suggestion box — actual authority over the enterprise. Two key differences made it work at the firm level: 1. Unlike the Soviet model, no central planner telling you what to make. You competed on open markets. Yugoslavia wasn't behind the iron curtain — Tito walked out on Stalin in '48 and traded with both sides. 2. Unlike Western capitalism, no absentee shareholders extracting value. Profit went to the people who built the product. Direct incentive to build quality. Gorenje's workers made excellent appliances because they personally benefited from them being excellent. Simple as that. The system failed at the macro level — the republics couldn't coordinate and the political class parasitized the structure. But at the enterprise level it produced exactly what you'd expect when the builders own the output.
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Jamie 4 days ago
Just embarrassing for Canada. These people are just clueless. We’re running a $60+ billion dollar annual deficit and they want to talk about pronouns and privilege. That stuff will quickly not matter if our country defaults.
this is also why there is still so much nostalgia about old yugo in the region. what they miss is the tito era business model. and what most socialists in the west actually want, is that same thing. the entire rest of communism was an economic and social and humanitarian disaster.
i've got claude to cook up a potential plan for a corporate structure for exactly this. not corporate, exactly. a kind of business association, and we embed the right of all contractors doing labor for the organisation to be part of a council that decides the work order. it's like the old yugoslavian system, carved out of the modern one in croatia. the hard part is i need to find 7 people to found it. but i don't think they all have to be software engineers even. 3d printing, custom hardware building, organic/health food products, even things like my ideas about making a product range for a modular archery system could be part of it.