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It's not protesting when your stated goals are obstructing federal enfrocement of crime that the local PD has been ignoring.
There are definitely protestors who crossed the threshold of obstruction and they can and have been dealt with without exercising deadly force.
This specific example, at the moment of the incident, the man in question was not an immediate threat to the agents.
One cannot gun down a man on the basis that some other people were obstructing your law enforcement duties.
Absolutely. Dude needs to rot in a cell.
But I look forward to the job being done.
The federal government is the fakest gayest entity in the universe
View quoted note →The way they are approaching the job will likely guarantee it won't be done, unfortunately.
They are giving far too much ammunition to the pro-immigration Dems and this current government action will most likely be stopped post mid-terms.
Just glad it's not in my area. Hyperlocalism.
“The enemy is always the state.” Exactly 💯 well said
Do you honestly interpret that man going and grabbing a police officer while he is in a different physical altercation as “exercising his 1st and 2nd amendment”. I’ve carried a gun my entire life with the knowledge that if I go and seek out a physical altercation with police while armed I’m going to get shot.
I applaud this post and especially its propensity to flare the ire of a tribal-minded reader, no matter which side they're on. That means you're properly commenting from outside that system.
I won't defend all his actions. I'm sure I wouldn't even like the guy if I had met him.
The agent in question was not justified in his use of deadly force. They had disarmed him and had him face down. Up until the point where they offloaded 9 bullets in him, the agents were doing a good job of handling him.
Correct. Government itself is the enemy. Always. You can't be a little ruled no more than it is possible to be a little pregnant.
I totally agree with this
Just not sure I trust any footage that we're seeing so I feel like I have no idea what actually happened.
Wrestling with feds with your Sig P320 while they conduct standard, legal, and popular deportations is not a Constitutional right.
Are you aware that the American people voted for mass deportations and that these "protestors" are being funded and organized using the Bolshevik color revolution playbook?
Stop pretending this isn't obvious to everyone. This is not Americans exercising their freedoms, it's communists exploiting the Constitution to try and fell out nation.
Are you American?
This is a exactly my position. The executive branch of government has taken more and more power since the 1971. The Anti-Federalists were right. The Bill of Rights doesn't mean much after 55 years of presidental power grabs.
It's not just one person that was executed. The second amendment was supposed to prevent a standing army by establishing a well regulated militia.
There is a standing army in the streets fighting US Citizens addressing their grievances.
Are the protesters unsophisticated, naive, and dumb? Yes, but that does not justify death without due process.
Don’t impede ICE from doing their jobs, don’t fight ICE, don’t bring gun to a protest, don’t ram ICE with your car or you will FAFO.
Why do you think you have a right to do any of these without suffering any consequences?
Are we a society of laws or anarchists?
Who is being shot 9 times?
Alright that makes a little more sense. To me it looked like the agent heard “gun” and saw him going for his holster when he shot but that’s at least a coherent argument. I think the fact this guy was injured with a broken rib from a confrontation earlier that week shows he was doing anything he could to instigate a reaction. Bringing a gun and fighting cops is not a good way to get my sympathy haha.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
You are allowed to bring a gun to a protest. Read the constitution.
Correct take. Lot of people who love the state in the responses
Open carry all you want and I 100% support it.
Showing up to an anti ICE protest where people are openly interfering and showing hostility to LEO while open carrying sounds like a finalist in the Darwin Awards.
—Use some god damn common sense ffs.
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I also agree with your point on govt overreach.
—government needs to be smaller and leave people the fuck alone.
Precisely
Having a sidearm and getting into an altercation of any kind is really reckless. (I don’t open carry but I do generally do have a firearm on me)
One thing that stuck with me was a CCW instructor that explained that carrying a weapon means that you are never going to be escalating any altercation. Ever.
Because if you do, someone will prob die.
Maybe you, maybe them.
Nobody wants that.
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#troof
Yep. I’ve heard of rookie cops who were involved in a “good” shoot. 40+ years later, that guy still woke up in a cold sweat at least once per year. It sticks with you. Nobody wants that.
I also carry everywhere I can. I hope never to have to use it, but if I see some rabid dog with whom I am unable to reason who is attacking some defenseless child, bye bye doggie.
ICE is not fucking "law enforcement"
Get some perspective
And yet the penalty for this behavior is not death by firing squad. ICE is unaccountable. If you are equivocating then you have lost the plot. Go read some Rothbard until you can see straight.
He was not wrestling with the feds. He stood in between a fed a the woman the fed was brutalizing. He was on the ground and disarmed and then was shot. If you think law enforcement by murder is the move you have lost your mind.
I open carry a "tactical" flashlight. (meaning it's made of metal and has a very bright light and strobe settings). If I ever get in an altercation, or lose my keys under the car on a dark night... all set! 😆
Total surveillance, cameras everywhere, spy satellites, massive AI to plan removal of whoever, whenever and we have to have idiots in masks killing peeps instead? The State will never fixes anything, everything they do is just self serving propaganda to justify more bureaucracy and control.
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Here he is putting his hands on a federal agent.
Also why haven't you answered my question? Why won't you just leave America if you dislike it so much and view it as a dead end? And if borders should be imaginary why don't you move to another country and advocate for that?
Putting your hands on a federal agent is not a death sentence you retard.
Oh boy!
Putting your hands on a federal agent is a felony! That's why they were attempting to arrest him.
Then he reaches for his holster. That's why he's dead retard.
A federal agent assaulting a protestor is not performing their duties. That is the standard for interference. The video is pretty clear that he was subdued and his gun was not in his possession when he was shot. They then rendered no aid, and prevented the police from investigating the scene. Then potus and his retard squad lied about it.
Why don't you start from the beginning? Why do you always start assessing the situation from the middle? Why do you start with the agent's actions and not Pretti?
Ohhh wait I know. You don't think he should be held accountable for his own actions
Opinion dismissed.
I guess I hold the actions of the agents who have out numbered and subdued a person to a higher standard. If you have to shoot a guy you have disarmed already to feel safe you probably should get a new job.
He committed a felony. Resisted arrest. The gun went off.
He made choices and were killed for those choices.
He's not magically absolved of his decisions because you want to bend reality so you can have sympathy for him.
Those agents have the same right to defend themselves as you do.
Here are a series of quotes from a self defense attorney on the subject you probably won't read or will ignore because it doesn't jive with your hormonal makeup:
- "The moment he makes contact with that officer, he's just committed a federal felony good for eight years in a federal penitentiary."
- "That's why they were seeking to make his arrest because they saw him commit a forcible felony against a fellow officer."
- "Then he's noncompliant with arrest. He's fighting them. Then they discover he has a gun..."
- "They take that gun. There are cries of 'gun, gun, gun.' The officers called to each other. He's still noncompliant. They hear a gunshot go off. And Alex Pretty's right hand comes from his waistline with a black object in his hand."
- "That combination of facts is going to get you shot 999 times out of a thousand by law enforcement, and justifiably so."
"They're making all these perceptions, all these decisions in a violent, chaotic melee caused by Alex Pretti."
"They have to make all these decisions in a split second because that's how quickly someone can use a weapon against you, and those decisions."
"They don't have to be correct. The law of self-defense does not require us to make perfect decisions..."
I hope we see this adjudicated in court, so that we can settle the issue from a legal standpoint but it is quite likely no charges will be brought.
They won't. And they shouldn't be.
Small aside, ICE are actually the more reasonable of the two agencies tackling immigration. In most cases it has been the CBP agents, under the direction of Gregory Bovino, who have been acting out of control.
Trump has reacted to this situation and ordered Bovino to stand down in Minnesota, allowing Tom Homan to take over the operation.
Homan is no softie when it comes to immigration enforcement but unlike Bovino and Steven Miller, he would rather focus on criminal illegals. He is also more cognizant of how to balance public opinion vs the actions of the Government.
Yeah I was just reading about this. Seems like a step in the right direction. In my opinion enforcement should be strictly focused on criminals immigrants. All other immigrants here illegally can be removed administratively via their workplaces. If removing illegals immigrants is the goal punishing employers would be the most effective move.
