Sounds reasonable 🤷‍♂️

I’m actually with you.

Do you mean you want DMs to work seamlessly in an e-mail client, so that they look just like the surrounding e-mails, or that you want them to render more like e-mails alone in their own client?

I’d love for my emails to not work properly too!

Haha. This is what I meant when I said I'd get shit. As it is today, you're right. But I can imagine them being as reliable in the future. Hard problem to solve with relays, but I think it will be eventually.

Happy to oblige… 🤣

I mean replace email entirely in the future. But I'd want a client that feels more like current email than a typical direct messenger. The volume of email, in my opinion, doesn't work well in the traditional DM design. I guess what I really want is a more decentralized email that somehow works with my npub and Nostr relays. I don't know how addressing would work globally. I think we'd either have to use forwarding in the short term or replace the current status quo with Nostr. I'm thinking 10-20+ out probably. A small part of a new internet/web I suppose.

Like Thunderbird or Gmail, but with encrypted notes, threading, forwarding, cc/bcc? So, more desktop-useable? 🤔

Could just hack an e-mail client, so that it treats a NIP-05 as an e-mail address and parses.

Would that work with standard email though? I get that we could make it work amongst ourselves, but I'm thinking globally. Maybe not replacing for everyone, but "living on a Nostr standard" as they say in Bitcoin. Similar to Strike bill pay, etc, but for services that Nostr can reasonably replace. So when anyone emails me, it comes to a Nostr email client. I don't see how the two would be bridged. Seems like you'd still need an email server that forwards to a Nostr relay somehow. That's more complex in the short term it seems

Ah, I see what you mean. 🤔 Yeah, that would require an e-mail server.

I think it's one of those things that may happen in 10-20 but will require some layered solution otherwise. More time and money for the experience. I suppose a dedicated relay/email server could be a solution, but email servers are notoriously shit to deal with. And I don't know how it would work with dynamic addressing on the typical home network. That's above my current pay grade.

*Email/relay bundle.

You don't bridge email to Nostr. You make email irrelevant by building services that speak Nostr natively. Same way Lightning didn't try to fix Visa. It just made Visa optional.

My utility company sending me an email from their email server isn't going to just magically arrive at a Nostr relay. I can't force them, just as I can't force a company to accept Lightning. Middleware is still required right now. So unless you can propose a immediate way to do it, there has to be a bridge as far as I know. Nostr is adopted by like ten people. Email, by almost everyone.

You're right about the transition. Bridges aren't failure, they're scaffolding. Strike is literally a bridge to Lightning and nobody calls that defeat. Your utility company won't switch because Nostr exists. They'll switch when enough customers are already there and it's cheaper than maintaining SMTP servers from 1982.