What nobody tells you about Samourai
Samourai were some guys who wanted to make money, but in a fraudulent way, and by fraudulent I mean selling a product that was completely defective and offered no privacy from the coordinator’s point of view — in other words, it wasn’t zerolink.
They weren’t even careful with their own privacy.
They exposed themselves to the state on their own, and now they don’t want to accept the consequences.
It’s fine that this whole story gets sugarcoated with sentimentalism, but that’s the truth.
None of this would have happened if they had understood firsthand what the state is and that the state is just waiting for you to make the slightest mistake to screw you over.
It’s ironic, to say the least, that you offer a privacy service when you yourself are incapable of being private, all while knowing that what you’re doing is “illegal” in the eyes of the state — but of course, as long as you were making money, everything was fine.
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you're just some nym with a nostr account who never built shit
I have never linked this account to projects.
On the other hand, I see you're a Samourai follower — I thought you were smarter.
Add to this point that I audited Samourai’s code (before AI) and pointed out a flaw in the construction of the Tor circuits that could link inputs and outputs.
This was denied by the sectarian Samourai community and later admitted by Ashigaru, so I do know a thing or two about privacy and computer science...
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No privacy from the coordinator's point of view? This is not even accurate. Their coinjoin worked. That's exactly why the state went after them.
The coordinator could link inputs and outputs through Tor circuits and through tagging attacks.
I think the gap in understanding is that samourai wallet touched many users. Show me privacy software that has mainstream adoption that hasn't been attacked by the state. The list is small.
wow. you're so smart and such a cool cypherpunk.
you maybe found a bug and are exploiting it for online credibility.
so brave and revolutionary.
maybe we'll forget that you ALSO said that monero ring signatures cause supply inflation and blocked everyone who called you out for talking obvious horseshit.
this is just "i might have found a bug and nobody was impressed. now I'm butthurt and hate samourai people."
not an reasoned criticism of their software.
he was the same with the Monero community until he looked stupid too many times.
Wow, I didn't think you were that dumb 😂
im not the guy who spent TWO YEARS calling monero a broken shitcoin and waste of time, rage baiting the community and blocking everyone who pointed out the errors in my dumb opinions.
no
that was you.
now you're doing it again.
because you're too proud to admit it when you're full of shit.
In hindsight, I think the success criteria is if the software can be shutdown during the state attack. Pretty sure they failed at at. Better luck next time.
since when do Bitcoiners throw devs to the wolves for building privacy tools?
"wHaT diD thEY thInK WoULd hApPEN?"
yall a bunch of fucking Judas's.
WTF?! since when do we villify the people targeted by the state?
and not go after the state for overreaching their bounds?
oh
and the software was NOT shutdown. so no, they absolutely did NOT fail at that.
Ashigaru
Ashigaru
Self custodial, open source and secure Bitcoin applications that are private by design.
It got shutdown at the time of the event. The Android app didn't work after that. Yes it lives on in another name.
I am saying success criteria in that if we do it right, and someone gets attacked, literally nothing changes. I am convinced that in that situation, the state would not even attack because optics is so important to them.
Vilify? No only strategize on how to proceed forward.
ok but that's just a definition of success you made up.
the way open source works and the threat model we have set up, is that if one specific instance of the technology or one specific dev team is targeted, another one can pick it up and carry one.
iow, exactly what happened.
not sure how you structure things to achieve "success" according to your definition.
I would say that your model is looking from the outside in.
it isn't about any specific implementation of an idea.
it's that the idea itself continues to be implemented.
decentralized tagging/attestation and contextual WoT can't mature fast enough ;)
This is gonna be fun
i think you're sort of misunderstanding open source software
