While I agree with the sentiment of nostr services being down due to CF outage (i'm also guilty of that for some nostr.net services) the fact is infrastructure costs money and if you are not paying for it someone else is.
So complaining that the free infrastructure you consume all the time and never once blink to think its costing someone else to run that is not gonna bring much change.
I've only recently put some of the web gateways behind CF because they are getting hammered by traffic. Could I've solved it differently? Sure, but I'm losing money on it already, spending more time and using more resources for it was just not the top choice.
CF gets used this much because it has disproportionate benefits compared to evrything else, even om a free tier. And its gonna stay that way until the individuals start figuring out that everything you click, consume or post on the internet has intrinsic cost. Its small on per unit basis, but it stacks up with even the amount of users nostr has, let alone when things really hit scale.
So either start rethinking your spending habits for everything you consume online or stfu:)
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that is true. and as a paid service operator that can fund the needed infrastructure I try to avoid it as much as possible.
but it makes sense with free/very low margin services.
Make them pay. Like SN is doing "pay to post".
All nostr relays should have implemented same thing and also could share the earnings with nostr frontends.
Well said. Cloudflare services are used for free by most of the internet every day. DNS, WAF, CDN, and much more.
Big enterprise customers pay for the best services from them, but Cloudflare gives so much of their services away for free to smaller shops (which we appreciate).
While servingbitcoin.com does sell-host on the very hardware that we sell, we use free Cloudflare services to help protect our nodes from the worst of the internet.
Disruptions are frustrating. But Cloudflare is a net positive for smaller business like us.
There just are not many other alternatives at their price point of free.
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We need much more relays to have the cost diluted into plebs but also monetize it somwhow. Start9 coming new release in 2026 will have easy to setup VPN so a clearnet relay with privacy will be much easier for plebs too.
Preach. I've been running web forums for over two decades and most have been a labor of love. Any time I get complaints, I find people are quick to STFU when you offer them the ability to help subsidize the costs.
Turns out more people just want handouts even in the digital realm.
I agree to some extent. But changing people's spending habits, so they are willing to pay voluntarily, requires constant education and professional approach to fundraising. Providing services for free and complaining that people are using them is not the way imho. The most supported v4v podcasts are beating the v4v drum ad nauseam. People need to be reminded constantly about it. It's just how it works.
I don't think I'd pay for social-media-via-nostr. SN has some threshold of quality. Nostr may be uncensored, but most content is of brainrot quality. Nostr doesn't fix social media, just like Bitmessage and similar stuff doesn't fix free speech. Uncensored usually just means more space for crazies.
For me nostr fixed social media. I just don't use global feeds or anything like it. Curating my follows and having it as a default and exclusive feed is all that I ever needed from social media. X account long gone. Fb suspended and due to be deleted. I basically forgot about Instagram.
Agreed, but with a small caveat - I'm not complaining that people are using it, and yes I need to do more to bully ppl into paying for them. But I'm actually not complaining that services are used, my comment was about people becoming very holy about free things they consume and expect from others
Are you charging? If not, why?
we all already pay or aquire inet conn one way or another. that ought to suffice completely. so why add on top of this endless layer of providers and services n crap? #NDN already!
lol?
working on that, but also not the point...
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You do you, but it is my point: paid gets played, and feedback on free gets muted. Solves a lot of this.
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Sir, I am pushing nostr:npub1aljazgxlpnpfp7n5sunlk3dvfp72456x6nezjw4sd850q879rxqsthg9jp into charging some things 😆 behind the scenes here.
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