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It's constant labor, that also costs you money to actually produce something that at least half way working. Like going to work, only you pay your employer. 😬

Experienced software engineer, when they hear someone is getting into vibe-coding

Yeah, I've been in software development since the 90s and it just gets increasingly grueling, and the hours just get longer and longer, and the development times shorter and the feature lists more crazy. AI is intensifying that, not reducing the workload. That's why most of the women have left and the number arriving has gone steadily down.

👏 there’s a big difference between bringing an idea to life, and the load that takes to review, maintain, take design decisions, .. all this requires experience and knowledge and it’s only fun when you have these skills/background.

I agree: vibe doesn't replace the labor. The key is what you commit to after the initial excitement fades. If you approach vibe coding with a dual commitment -- to ship and to learn -- it absolutely works out. Bitcoin Calendar is vibe coded, but it wouldn't be useful to anyone without that persistent, non-glamorous work. You can't produce value without putting the work in.

AI is not simplifying things (its their false promise) Software development has become more complex. So when you add these things together, it’s just a very abstract layer on top of a lot of complexitity. And only people can handle this as they are able to build a mental modal around it. And that mental load is what counts and makes you competent or not. Or something like that.

Yeah, I now need a model of the code base that also includes the proper way to interact with the LLM. I think gen-coders don't notice this, until the project reaches a certain size and they have to actively babysit the AI and explain seemingly obvious stuff to it, for hours. At the beginning, the issues are more generic and the AI does it all automagically. By coding day 55, the dev is typing in all caps. 😂

And they go in de mode JUST ONE MORE PROMPT TO FIX IT

I'm actually a big fan of HTML, which is why I like Svelte. It has the closest connection between the code and the resulting website. I used Python for Scriptorium, tho, to use the Pandas library and etc. Python parsing is really good. I hate the Jumble tech stack, to be honest. React sucks.

I don't find it fun, even then. I have been in software development for nearly thirty years and have already enjoyed it less than cleaning the bathrooms.

I just tolerate superhuman levels of suffering. 😂

Back in 2020 I said to myself that I had to get into a JS framework. Looked into React, Vue and Svelte. React is too bloated. Svelte was too new then. So Vue was my choice. But my stack is mainly PHP/Twig (Drupal y0) with vanilla JS (using Vite there to do the fancy bundling) + TailwindCSS with PostCSS. To be honest I’m not using Vue anymore, maybe only to make a poc.

Love php, but Svelte has grown on me. Having fun making a test interface at work with VS Code extensions. Really easy to build.

Reviewing AI generated code - it's a travesty that ignorance of the underlying technology on the part of the "viber" is both hidden from themself and also so obvious in a PR. Reviews increasingly become about social skills in deconstructing ego instead of debating technical implementations on their merits. Find myself lacking the former. Learning anything new is painful and reading documentation is necessary in know what questions to ask; to others, to yourself or to an AI. nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzplfq3m5v3u5r0q9f255fdeyz8nyac6lagssx8zy4wugxjs8ajf7pqqs0fx489zv7kcdfekjupm4lxz5kgenu9cln72d9c3u40cjgzlul3zqy5z6xh

Amen nostr:nevent1qqs0fx489zv7kcdfekjupm4lxz5kgenu9cln72d9c3u40cjgzlul3zqprdmhxue69uhk7unv0ykhyetvv9uju6tdwaskcepwv46j7q3ql5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqsxpqqqqqqz4p560j

It's all down hill after printing Hello World!

Around the same here, and despite all the pain and patience it brings to me some kind of comfort to see how i learn to do things more solid over time