The problem is not the platform, its the people

Perfect engineers and hominem, well done mate 👏

Okay, here I am. Now what? How are you going to prevent me from also posting on twitter?

It becomes a psyop straight away.

Another top quote from calle 👏👏👏

Thanks for a little common sense.

Actually it is so interesting, that you have to promote anger once, and then it spirals.

There has to be someone making a super specific Bitcoin development platform in Nostr by now. It would be super cool, specially if its integrated with git

The calmest rooms attract brilliant minds, fostering clarity, highlighting key issues, and yielding efficient, long-term strategy and results. We should have good online places to hangout and talk properly.

opposite is true: as long as distrust runs deep, unwillingness to compromise is high, we just might be able to not un-intentionally break bitcoin while intentionally fixing it.

right, better behind closed doors. lmfao

It shouldn't be conducted on a centralised platform.

Let's move those discussions to #Nostr ! View quoted note →

Ossify policy. Fix security bugs.

You mean GitHub? Where it should take place? Let us all know.

If not for X, Core would have gone unchallenged. Now we have a healthy debate. The "trust the experts" attitude is hostile to bitcoins ethos.

I have been hearing how deciding which txs to include in one's own mempool is supposedly censorship, but then someone says how other people should not talk about something in some public place, and I am like WTAF

If Twitter is built to spread anger and outrage, what does Nostr spread by design?

Stop with your deflections I heard that you're a shitcoin saboteur

Commercial social media causes retardation. Nostr does too, unfortunately, because people have been trained to be retarded online.

Notes.

Calle, the Dr Fauci of this story.

Don’t you understand the anger even a little bit?

well, Nostr didn't exist then, so where was it supposed to take place? 4chan? under the sea? when a discussion about a public technology, or any other topic for that matter, needs to happen, you go where the people are. the people were, and still are, on the app formerly known as Twitter. if you care about a subject enough, it doesn't matter how much anger your position invites. if people rabidly hate you for presenting a potentially viable vision for the future of a monetary service that is being overrun by crooks and retards, you're probably saying something they're too limited-in-the-brain to even think about.

I'm also getting that feeling.

somebody needs a safe space.

It’s funny the outrage of Microsoft buying GitHub seems to have passed. Do Bitcoin devs use Copilot to help analyze Core code?

I hear you but isn’t that being a little hard on GitHub?

I’m not agree 🤷‍♂️

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Run Bitcoin knots.

A great many of us have already read about the benefits of Zen. Including (surely?!) those working inside the zone of Bitcoin development. But then we forget to practice it, when under pressure, just because we've logged-in to some platform that facilitates open and free discussion. So who exactly is doing "wrong" here? And isn't it good to get a low-cost opportunity to forcefully argue over important things? Such an activity is never seen in Congress or in Parliament. So embrace getting your nose bloodied online because that's the price you're gonna have to pay to get the best and worst out of those you are in disagreement with. I would suggest ... some of the deepest and most dependable truths are reliably forced "out into the open" whenever anger and outrage is allowed to influence an exchange of views between intelligent men.

It's not about changing the protocol which Core has screwed already by allowing inscriptions. It's about free speech of sovereign individuals who want to control what shit goes through their nodes. Let them set the value of MAX_OP_RETURN_RELAY in their bitcoin.conf file while leaving the current default at 83 and we will all live happily ever after, at least until P.Todd or J.Lopp try to gaslight us again. Until then we will just run Knots, because "client diversity" has always been regarded as a positive for bitcoin 😎

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I know what you mean .

what is the platform that amplifies anger and outrage by design?

It might be more appropriate to pitch your question to the person who originally authored that claim. I was only going along with the premise in order to fashion my response. Over a span of several years, I have used several Alternative Platforms, and have witnessed anger and outrage exchanged on each one; at least on occasion. But I think it's generally accepted that Twitter (Mark-1), and Facebook, were probably set-up to facilitate a hyped-up atmosphere which then enticed many to over-indulge with their emotional responses. Personally, I don't know of any platform that was set-up -- BY DESIGN -- "to amplify anger and outrage", because that would surely risk inviting bedlam and too much disruption. But it would be reasonable to argue that the basic social-media model of clicks, likes, and follows was always going to entice those who prefer to engage in debate while dressed like a Gladiator. As you asked a specific question about something that's clearly important to you; then why don't you now tell me what platform you believe has done more to foster online controversy?

It doesn’t always do this I mostly get pictures of cats and nice scenery lately

I’m aware this doesn’t do much for Bitcoin protocol though just saying

I’m I the only one who doesn’t give shit about the decimal point in bitcoin? Call it whatever you like and let’s move on.

debate is fine, talk till people are exhausted look at all the peace talks, and diplomatic summit, it is all for the show and hotel bills, restaurant reception, and travels at the end of the day no change is actually done

First of all, my question *is* “pitched” to the original poster of the post. “Calle” is already tagged in the responses/comments. I’ll respond to the rest later. Very well written comments though! I agree with pretty much everything in a way. Although as Zen teachings like to remind : there’s always multiple ways to understand something.

What is the platform you’re referring to that amplifies anger and outrage in discussions by design? Some of the comments are mentioning github? (Never used it)

DARPA hacked Jacks brain.

A platform that … tends to lead to negativity or emotionally abusive speech (extreme example: trolls) What I’ve noticed - Safest spaces (emotionally): - Instagram - Hobby, fan, comedy, learning-based subreddits (like books, math, science) Potentially more angry, negative spaces: - Anywhere else Specific to Reddit: Reddit has a lot of positives … one downside is the lack of a personal profile page, which can be like an ‘anchor’ for the person (their personality, values, interests). People on Reddit can feel like a disembodied pseudonym just sharing their thoughts on a topic … and it’s a lot more likely for one person to share an earnest and sincere post or comment, and for another redditor to jump in with a very negative response. (Never used X/Twitter)

Can we just ignore X and tell them to fuck off, we only listen to nostr users who we individually vet for quality? Nostr bitcoiners are the bitcoiners that matter.

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Are you talking about sourceforge, forum, reddit, twitter or nostr?

Very good reply, and also useful. At the same time, what you've just posted is not beyond fair criticism, so you should not be overly sensitive to that. I don't actually need to criticize what you've just written, but I will couch large parts of my reply in ways designed to encourage your further thinking. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hee-hee ... I know a great deal about Trolls, possibly because my "know-it-all" style of commenting attracts such persons like dog sh*t attracts flies. The fact is, you will never understand the psychology or purpose of Trolls until you try and speak truth (online) about the JFK Ritual Assassination, the so-called Holocaust™, the Billary Clintons, 9/11, and/or the Apollo Moon Landings. In past years I've tried all kinds of ways of dealing with Trolls, and there's no magic formula, even though I usually win against most of them; but only if I fully apply myself. But are such efforts cost effective?? Nope! The fact is, no ordinary person can afford to spend hours online trying to win against Trolls, who are mostly suffering from chronic emotional issues, let alone a complete lack of real knowledge and understanding. It is highly probable that the W.E.F. (over in Geneva) has long maintained dedicated and privately-sponsored "Trolling Teams" in order to Gas-Light the public into accepting Klaus Schwab's power-mad suggestions, biases, and policies. On top of which there's a large body of "official" or government sponsored "Trolling" (performed by teams who have been trained by, and are therefore being openly sponsored / financed by: the Establishment, or the Deep State that is currently in control of the Western World). For example, teams of Trolls have been operating out of Israel ever since America's DHS was set up, right after 9/11. They are mostly formed by volunteers taken from the IDF. You will find confirmation of their existence somewhere in Reddit! Perhaps a couple of photos also. Specialist teams of Trolls were also set up by those responsible for the COVID19 Psy-Op. A particularly nasty group of de facto Trolls were even endorsed by the UK Government to counter (real) truths being spread by smart members of the public, on the Twitter platform, months before the first "vaccines" were rolled out. The British Army had already created (back in 2015) a specialized unit to combat what the UK Establishment prefers to call "disinformation". This specialized online Unit is known as "77th Brigade" ... and they were even deployed to maximize the public's compliance with all COVID19 mandates; as if the UK public had been quietly re-labelled as "enemies of the State"! Yet another example of "official Trolling operations" is the UK Government's Counter-Disinformation Unit (CDU) and Rapid Response Unit (RRU). Interestingly, the CDU was set up in 2019 (just in time for the start of the COVID19 Psy-Op). The unit — run by civil servant, Sarah Connolly — then commissioned reports from the Artificial intelligence firm Logically ... because "the pursuit of truth" is never the purpose. If you think all this looks and sounds like the old Soviet Union under the KGB, then you'd be correct. As regards your opinions of Reddit, which you sub-headed "Specific to Reddit:" ... then I am in full agreement with them. I think you have written a very commendable (quick) assessment of Reddit's essential positives and negatives. Just so you know: 1) I have never attempted to use Instagram because I don't want to have to trade in mostly imagery and video clips; 2) I stopped using 'X' when I realized that some of its most important policies were simply a continuance of the pre-Musk Twitter (where I was chronically "shadow-banned"). In addition, I simply do not like or appreciate the warped politics of Linda Yaccarino ... Musk's most senior Executive, who is in charge of 'moderation', and who is therefore in charge of setting and approving X's content policies.

Which platform? If nostr, how is it designed to amplify anger and outrage. Curious. View quoted note →

Not ‘the people’ in general, the entire spectrum of trolls and troll-like behavior. I just experienced yet another one myself in this comment thread. An extremely sophisticated and malicious version of it. Some trolls are like a half step away from being actual criminals.

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