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I guess that is true, but work like service/client integrations take time from both sides. Implementing podcasts in Nostr.build currently would have to take away time from more important improvements, while benefiting less users than those improvements
Many similar such efforts have been set in motion today. Remember the early days of nostr apps cranking out seemingly daily? Back when we were all bullshit on pablo?
I feel a similar bubbling beginning today in the demu space on nostr.
Yeah im not arguing for you to drop more important priorities and honestly I dont think nostr.build should implement podcasts, just support whats required on hosting. The rest is just fluff. Do one thing and do it well.
You guys host basically all of nostra media. Keep focusing on that. Bare min to get demu really going on nostr just needs you to support essential features like the ability to host audio files and rss files (which it does already)
My point in all this here is to show you guys theres a lot already in motion and the massive potential/untapped market. Your product sits in one of the essential corners of this ecosystem. Just heads up and house call to see if theres anything you guys can do to move this forward with us. If yes, cool, if not, maybe later. All good, this is freedom tech.
fwiw, there is already support for uploading MP3, (and for paid) WAV and FLAC, and the API can be easily used for thid
for reencoding audio, this can be done in browser efficiently, and this way creator can pick the lowest bitrate with good quality for their specific usecase
Definitely not for nothing.
As nostr integrated demu apps start shipping, I hope they look at the features nostr.build already offer and integrate it too
Podping does use the hive blockchain to store podcasting 2.0 updates. It serves its purpose and has for years and even Fountain uses it to put data. It's a fast chain so it transmits the info in seconds.
@BITwise 🐳 >>= RIGHTish there are several ways to trigger it and you've seen it fine in the irc but sovereignfeeds also has it built in.
Currently hosting really isn't an issue in PC 2.0 and if no one wants to use Nostr then they won't be interested in Nostr.build either. We're not going full Nostr and I don't know how much we will add. The lightning wallet solutions Nostr provides are what we're after currently because that's what we need but building solutions for people to host content and build RSS feeds so apps can surface that content were game for.
I'm also not that familiar with Nostr.build but if we need a hosting service you'll be top of mind.
I think most people just host their media on their websites currently.
Podcasters are used to hosting their own stuff either on their own or using a hosting provider so that's all just transferred over to the music stuff as well since music is just an extension of PC 2.0.
People around here just stopped using Spotifys Anchor hosting for their podcast within the last years btw.
Podping replaces websub.
Websub you need to constantly poll the feed to see if it updated.
Podping you say "hey this updated" and everyone using that system knows.
That’s crazy talk!
Ok so this has nothing to do with the nostr option ChadF was talking about. And then if I want to share with people it’s easy?
I heard they regularly sacrifice goats while listening to Phil Collins.
Oh... sorry im getting lost in the hell thread I think. Paging
@ChadF and 33 others 👆🏽
Yes sharing is very easy. Any app you can stream demu from will have a share button that let's you copy a link. Most if not all will open in a browser.
Those are the apps you were telling me about? The PWAs ?
i'm lost too. People just share the link to the app they want people to use. Fountain and LNBeats are kind of the go to for music and I think that's what we're talking about but thb the Wavlake app is great.
we do have pod.link also that links to all podcasting apps. Why thats a number for the name idk. These links will have varying result based on how the app handles music but you WL music is on a RSS feed that these apps can use.
https://pod.link/aHR0cHM6Ly93YXZsYWtlLmNvbS9mZWVkL211c2ljLzYwMDJkNjM0LTE2YjUtNDU3NC05NjQ3LTRlMTNkMGIxMzc3Nw
I think its important to recognize theres two important goals that are sort of intertwined as one begets the other so even if we have positive movement in only one direction, a high tide floats all boats.
1. Podcasters need an upgrade to the current feature set which nostr tech may be able to provide (relays, identity etc) while maintaining backwards compatibility
2. Nostriches need to start getting into demu! But the current implementations are largely incompatible with what nostr is using and moving towards (keysend vs lnurl/nwc).
While podcasters may not need a change in hosting solution, having a nostr native product thats already seamlessly integrated into nostr would be massive for achieving #2. Just like Dell computers shipped with windows, amythest and most other clients ship with nostr.build baked in as the default.
If we drive nostr adoption of demu, that is a huge untapped market thats already mostly on board and dont know it. The podcasters will see theres movement there and that its worth looking into again, driving more adoption or re-adoption. And that starts the flywheel.
I’m already using Wavlake. So if I share on Wavlake it goes to all the Demu apps, if I understand correctly?
*using Wavlake to upload and share my music
Correct.
Uploading to wavlake will publish your music everywhere.
Uploading anywhere else will publish your music everywhere BUT wavlake.
Not to dredge this back up but its important to have historical context:
The whole "semi-walled garden" thing js the issue podcasters have with wavlake and are very confused why nostr bros still embrace it as fervently as they do when theres other more freedom and open protocol aligned alternatives that exist. Yes, they are less convenient, but from their perspective im hearing a lot of "wait, aren't you guys bitcoiners? Didn't think youd trade freedom for convenience. "
when you say share do you mean upload to Wavlake? Wavlake stuff goes to all apps that use PC 2.0 and thats why your stuff is in Fountain.
you > wavlake > fountain > my ears
Ok so is there an option as straightforward as Wavlake or that’s something on the roadmap or no idea yet?
Ok that said I think its important to also highlight i dont hate wavlake and I think without it, we wouldn't be standing here today. Thay said, I think we need more freedom of choice and I do think the wavlake product is flawed. I understand why it was built the way it was built when it was built, and I also understand why it cannot be upgraded on a technical/economic level. There's no animosity here. I'm just looking forward to the future and not sticking to safe know solutions ultimately holding us back.
Its absolutely on the road map.
@Hash Power Music and
@npub12q9x...70wm team are working on something like that
I know
@Derek Ross and
@ChadF and 33 others and
@Sir Libre all have demu specific apps coming out. Not sure about hosting, I think they're more focused on streaming side and user experience. They can talk more specifically abt their projects tho.
So on those solutions, hosting would maybe need to be done elsewhere. Like nostr.build for example. It would be cool to have an all in one. Hosting included. Would make it easy for artists
hosting people's stuff is a non-starter for me b/c its a pain in the ass.
Self-host or use a hosting company. If its on the Index we all can us it and that how I built itdv.podtards.com
@Derek Ross seems interested in that more than us.
its all open and anyone can build that
So it’s not on the roadmap. Ok I understand
Yeah podcasters have solved hosting for themselves. Its a non issue on their end. Nostriches are just now finding demu so they have to build their stack. That would include getting hosting right.
I dont want to see all products with all the same features sets. It'll be nice to have an all in one solution but i certainly dont want every product to be that.
If you need a product, then build it. That or go on a rampage on nostr for an entire day getting nothing else done pther than creating a hell thread and bullying
@Derek Ross into doing it 😉
Its not on his road map I guess, and thays fine. Do one thing and do it well. Excuse me sir, this isn't a microsoft. There are other road maps and projects.
If you're looking for a turn key solution, a company like Wavlake that handles everything is exactly what you want.
Does Wavlake support your values?
Do you mind giving them a 10% cut in exchange for the service they provide?
If Wavlake works for you, use Wavlake, they're a great solution. But if you want more ownership, there's tools to do it yourself.
It's like changing your oil. If you know how to do it, you can choose to do it yourself or pay someone else because it's not worth the hassle. No shade with either decision.
music hosted via blossom servers.
I’m already using Wavlake. I was wondering if there was a similar option already available
agree here 100%. some apps will exist for the soverign individual and some apps will exist as full fledged solutions where they do the work for their customer. not every human or creator fits in the same box, so we need a wide variety of solutions for all.
Podhome, Fountain if you want hosting.
Music Side Project if you want to host it yourself.
Sorry tried to delete last note but idk if I caught it in time. Had an inaccuracy.
Yes, as far as I know, for all the apps (fountain lnbeats podverse etc) when you share a link, it opens in browser if you dont have the app. Lnbeats will allow you to install as a pwa. Fountain has its own app and I think podverse does too.
Oh so podhome and fountain do the hosting too. Every person I spoke to gave me different answers about this. Im a bit confused. I’ll look into this. Thanks
Yeah I'm just a dude vibecoding stuff for
@The Doerfels
Fountain has hosting and an app
PodHome has hosting and an app
Truefans has hosting and an app
Wavlake has hosting and an app
And the one you guys don’t like is Wavlake right. The other ones that host are good?
Yes this. This is what will decentralized thebhostingnpieve and allow nostr to jump on board. Pdocasters can also adopt itnor keep doing what they're doing. Free and open protocols FTW
ultimately, it's just a file sitting on a web server somewhere and you need someone to host that file for you. is it you? is it a company? what do they charge? what services do they offer along with hosting? think of it as a very specific type of website and you're buying webhosting for that very specific website.
you had me at dude vibecoding...
Wavlake is fine, IMO. They fill a need.
It's not that we don't like Wavlake, it's that Wavlake's code makes it so the Wavlake player can only play Wavlake music. If Wavlake's player played all RSS based music, I'd probably recommend most people use Wavlake. They give you a wallet and hosting and charge you 10% of your sats. Unless you're making $100 a month on your music, you'd pay less with a 10% cut than you would with a different hosting company charging a monthly fee.
Because they don't play all RSS based music, they go against my values, but if that ever changes, I'll send more people to Wavlake.
I think the confusion is theres really two pieces of info being hosted. Your media files (audio and artwork) and your rss xml file (aka your rss feed/metadata)
@Oscar Merry @npub1pj3a...7des
These two can answer any questions, but yes, they have hosting. Fountain is also a player, and I believe PodHome is working on a player too.
That’s what I meant. The walled garden thing. Wanted to answer quickly
It's really opened doors for us trying to figure this stuff out.
So which ones do both? Only Wavlake?
Its like the custodial vs noncustodial lightning wallet debate. Do you run a full umbrel node? Or do you run zeus? Or are you using WoS.
To make the analogy, musicsideproject solution is like setting up an umbrel node, fountain or podhome are like running zeus and wavlake is sorta like WoS
I use all 3 of those node/wallet solutions. Just like I use wavlake sometimes. Like Derek says, it fills a need.
Exactly. We (Podhome.fm) ca host your music and podcasts and will distribute it to all the apps (we also have a listening app ourselves). Fountain hosting can also host and distribute your content.
Our goal is to make it super easy for you to just upload and distribute.
just like a website with various files and file types :)
Podhome is a hosting solution. Publishing is baked into the process by default.
Fountain (with their RSSBlue partnership) is an AiO solution and includes a player as well (just like wavlake)
There are others but I recommend looking at podhome first. There's lots of podcast hosting solutions and just a handful of ones catered specifically for music. Because RSS is open, there are certain standards but you can pick and choose what fields you actually utilize or even create your own as long as theres a compatible app that knows to reference it.
The way I see it, if this "token" is providing a utility thats being used in the real world, then it has value. At the end of thebday its just another way of transmitting data. Maybe underlying architecture is ugly but it works and it works well. At least a bit less shitty than some other shitcoins ive stepped in before. How is this fundamentally any diff than sending a packet of data any other way? I'd maybe place it as shitcoiny as a stable coin or something idk.
Whatever, it works and no one thats using it for utility is trading the token as far as I know.
@ChadF and 33 others For those who are allergic, in the current existing ecosystem, is there a way to publish without using podping?
Exactly. Now tie digital reputation identity to it via nostr keys and now youve got the makings of a decentralized open network community.
yeah, you upload and wait like we used to.
there is some websub thing that this replaced
its just a service to tell people you uploaded a new episode people
Nostr fixes this. Just push a note. Maybe someone can write a NIP that pushes a specific note that signals the index theres been an update and tells it whay to update (whatever data is previously transmitted stays the same. Same car different road). The index just watches for that specific NIP instead of podping
It’s worth taking a look at FairCamp. Whilst, unfortunately, the dev is very anti btc, as a simple landing page for musicians it’s pretty cool.
Just to throw some extra work in there… some way of BUYING an mp3 or wav with sats would be cool.
“You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” I think Mr Nakamoto once said… The day will come when Spotify rugs peoples’ music collections and it will be moderately lol imo.
Can we short podcasts on a De-Fi app yet?
Since feeds are publicly hosted you can technically download them for free. That's just part of v4v.
The RSS spec also allows for a funding tag where you can essentially link a fiat payment rail like PayPal. But you cam also utilize it to link to a merch page or download my song for x sats webpage or whatever.
My proposed solution
Simple is good 😂
Ah of course, hadn’t considered that.
Step 1 - take something
Step 2 - cross out a part
Step 3 - write "nostr"
Step 4 - ???
Step 5 - PROFIT
Yes bring me to step 5 please. I heard it’s Uptober 💰
i couldnt help myself
😂😂
Just add nostr. Nostr fixes everything.
Toast too cold? Add nostr.
Need a bodyguard? Add nostr.
Wife too ugly? Add nostr.
Hit me with your best shot.
Too late to bitcoin? Add nostr
Too early to Bitcoin? Add nostr
Bitcoin doesn’t fix it? Add nostr
That last one 🤣😂🤣😂
thats one of the funniest thing ive seen on here
Nostr doesnt fix it? Add more bitcoin
That's some ⭕️ shit right there
Just the right amount of Nostr 😙👌
Chef’s kiss 😚🤌🏾
And then just add a little more
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Hey gurl haaayyyy
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Podhome and podverse are two different things. Podhome is hosting/publishing and podverse is streaming
GM, my new hellthread! Thiccc AF 🤣🤌🏻
Hiya, yeah I’m ok just busy with work and wildlife issues.
Thanks for checking in 🙏💜🫂
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View quoted note →The ones that have been doing music shows have stated this enough times we are blue in the face. All the music that is parced in the Index is on lnbeats.com wavlake only shows you 1/3 of the music because its a walled garden of only their music. Its also become an ai slop machine. Luckily we have
@ChadF :pci: and
@Sir Libre building demu music apps that has all the music.
I've seen sneak peaks at what they are building and its precisely what we need. For anyone following along, watch closely because they're close to release. They work amazing and already look great in beta.
5x5, I've test drove both apps. Killer, going to blow spotify away.
itdv.podtards.com is already live and has a lightning toggle in the left hand menu...
Its that time again! We're closing in on the end of this album with just one track remaining after this one. This is "Shut Up" by 
LNBEATS
