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semisol semisol@nostr.land 1 month ago
It was more complex and weirder than that. Derek started hosting Nostr Nests independently based on Jam software. They made some minor modifications early on, but got bigger. With our existing work together on Nostr Plebs, I agreed to help. With there UI leaving a lot to be desired, me, @TC and @Karnage worked on a UI redesign. Most of the core remained the same, with mostly some UI changes. I have been clear that Nests was based on Jam, and I have never tried to obscure that. Anyway, at this point, it was decided that a complete rewrite, fully independent from Jam was a good idea. There were too many issues with large rooms on Jam. Also, it was built with a different identity system than Nostr, which made it hard to integrate. The main reason that we, together, decided to not make it open-contribution is due to the rewrite. It would be fully open source and open contribution, and more suited than that. (Looking back, I’m not sure if that was a good choice or not. The code depended a lot on internal details to work.) Anyway, I did not have the motivation to work on the rewrite due to burn-out and personal reasons. This was not helped by the fact that our informal agreement with Derek that it was a shared project fell through, of sorts. Derek had made it clear that he treated it mostly as his own project including making unilateral decisions, and I felt like that was disrespectful to the work of me and others. Around that point I left and took a break from Nostr. I did not track what happened fully next, but I believe it was replaced by a rewrite by Kieran and then proceeded to become inactive. —— If it was ever unclear that Nests was based on Jam, I apologize for that. There was never a goal to gatekeep contributions, but more that it was simply not suitable for it due to it being designed with so many internal components. The situation was more complex than this person was solely responsible about it”. Even though I have mixed feelings about it, I will not share my personal interactions with Derek in depth out of respect for privacy.
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Puzzles Puzzles@nostronchain.com 1 month ago
I appreciate your response but based off Jam’s license you shouldn’t have released the software without making the repo public to begin with. It’s in the past now and no sense of crying over split milk. The sad part is how it teared apart Nostr. After Cornychat was released clients refused to integrate it because they didn’t want to offend Derk In my opinion this is when interoperability on Nostr started going downhill. The Nostrati began scrutinizing what constituted as a Nostr client with Fiat Gaf hand waving cornychat as “Not-a-client”. Now that the Nostrati has abandoned Nostr and migrated over to X there is a chance for the surviving misfits of Nostr to regroup and try again.
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semisol semisol@nostr.land 1 month ago
I could not bring myself to work on the Nests rewrite while being exhausted, under public pressure, and other concerns. The unilateral decisions about a project I contributed to so much did not help. I forgot to mention, we held a bounty pool to be paid out to any contributors to the ground-up rewrite, that was separated. I transferred any custodied sats for this bounty I might have to Derek when I left. If I remember correctly, we also compensated both TC and Karnage out of pocket from Nostr Plebs for their work. It was however unfortunate to see Karnage’s design work go to waste.. —— I do less Nostr development now. Mostly because the AI slop takeover, and the focus on quality going downhill. I have tried to prevent that to some extent, but I have failed. (Especially on the NIPs, where my access was revoked) But, it is great to be able to work with amazing people like @Karnage and the @The Fishcake (nostr.build). I try to do the right thing. Sometimes I make mistakes.
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