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I love this debate, seeing people who are pro knots has been a great timeline cleanse. I feel like my feed is less dumb now.
I love not knowing anything about Core/Knots debate, but in 5yrs time, I'll be saying I was there during the Core/Knots wars
Your feed is probably just Calle sucking his own dick lmao
I don’t follow calle, but thanks for proving my point. cya
Was your point that when youre a condescending dick, theres a response? Congratulations, youve learned what most people learn before they're teenagers
Based!
it's gonna be so funny in 2032 when Bitcoin State network takeover is completed all the Core and Knots guys are sitting around drinking beers saying "i can't believe i blocked you over that" and hugging and maybe kissing and shit
What is it that you think you are helping by opening the door to infinite dickbutt spam?
Muting anyone you disagree with, is a sign of lesser intelligence not more 😂
This is knots propaganda that is technically false. door is already open: there is no consensus limit on op_return and it’s trivial to route around filtering nodes.
It’s just not done because there are cheaper ways to store large images (inscriptions), which there are already is massive abuse of.
For reasons why it was done, this post by sipa explains it clearly
Bitcoin Stack Exchange
Implications of OP_RETURN changes in upcoming Bitcoin Core version 30.0
As you may know, there has been a debate around the upcoming release of Bitcoin Core. I hear the arguments against it and I agree that Bitcoin is m...
If the filters don't do anything then why remove them?
If on the other hand it is like gmail filters where some spam gets through but removing them would open the flood gates (which I think is the case) then we really don't want them removed.
What is the advantage of no filters?
sipa answers this in the post
Right away, this is just untrue:
"However, as developers and community of node runners, we also do not really get to decide what people use the chain for"
We do not have to relay & facilitate transactions that we oppose.
The fact that some spam gets through my email filters is not a reason to remove all filters.
There is no point in arguing with them.
These are people are hypocrites. Removing OP_return limit will not stop slipstream.
People can and will still go directly to miners to put whatever they want in their blocks.
It will just allow Tom, Dick and Harry to spam more, especially now they want to reduce the min limit to 0.1 sat/vB.
if you read the post it explains that you still relay it regardless of what you set for that setting. that's why its deprecated, because its misleading.
We only relay spam if it gets into a block. Making it harder for bullshit to get into a block reduces the amount of bullshit people will create.
Ocean & Datum are already increasing miner revenue (because major pool operators are clearly corrupt) while allowing individual miners to filter garbage too. The truth is that all the spam revenue was already flowing to a small few & being kept from small mining participants.
Datum does more to decentralize mining than any sort of filter removal possibly could.
The arguments for filter removal just make no sense. It truly seems like there is some hidden motivation.
Wake me up when this fantasy land is a reality and then i will agree with you
The filters work perfectly at their main job: keeping spam out of your mempool
When widely adopted they also delay the propagation of spam-filled blocks, which provides a nice monetary incentive for miners to ignore spam: ignoring spam = fewer blocks orphaned = higher income
there wouldn't be any delay when relaying via preferrential peering or private mempools. it only takes a few nodes to get around the thousands of knots nodes. come on.
That's not an argument.
During the height of the spam craze people saw that giant spam txns with huge fees were not being distributed to pool participants as they should have been.
Ocean showed that even very early on participants were earning more in spite of filters.
Datum allows miners to process whatever txns they want. So it dramatically decentralizes mining & takes power away from pool operators.
And it does appear to be the case that legacy pools are corrupt (which really shouldn't be a surprise since more than half of them are Ant-main anyway).
Tell that to Mara Pool and CKPool. They noticed that their blocks were getting orphaned more often when they ignored the subsat tx filters, and reimplemented them. The higher the percentage of Knots runners, the higher the likelihood this plays out again, but for inscriptions and op_returns
You've gone from "trivial to route around" to preferential peering and private mempools. Keep it up and you'll eventually get to "I was wrong, filters do work".
If we spread Datum & encourage people to join Ocean or to create more pools like Ocean then the malicious Ant-main majority hold on mining will once again be broken.
Why facilitate spam instead & work to funnel more revenue to the same corrupt shits that have been trying to control bitcoin for a decade?
is the plan to censor inscription spends as well using this method?
it seems if this could be pulled off then bitcoin would no longer be censorship resistant, it would be whatever the miners agree upon censoring via relay policy?
You said they "noticed their blocks were getting orphaned"
But neither of those two links said their blocks were getting orphaned. They just said they were taking steps to prevent the risk of orphaning
these seem specifically about v0.1sat/vB transactions? I don't see how a large op_return that paid huge feeds is related to that.
Broad & blind rejection of certian transaction types is not censorship. No particular individual's transactions can be targeted.
It's really hard to take this seriously.
No idea. Have been mostly on stratum side of the house. But with slipstream, I imagine this would pose a similar risk so not sure why we ignore sub 1sat/vbyte.
i think its a lazy argument considering it only focuses on one type of non-standard tx
View quoted note →Whack a mole!
Good point, I missed that
My hope is that the same fear of stale blocks induces miners to not mine large op_return txs
To make that fear more grounded, I hope more people filter such txs
There he goes with the ubermensch vibes again
Traitor faggot
