I do use Vexl and Peach, but when you live off bitcoin that then opens a whole new conundrum of compliance issues. First, I usually need to exchange large amounts, which are hard to find offers for. Second, and most importantly, when your entire income comes from random people's bank accounts, the bank will close my account, which is really something that I don't want to deal with. I can deal with exchanges closing my accounts, but having my bank account closed is really a whole nother level of a fucked up nightmare.

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Why don't you collateralize a loan with Bitcoin? I obviously know that means KYC but it fixes your access to large amounts of dollars without actually selling your Bitcoin.
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PlebInstitute 4 months ago
My local German bank reported „suspicious“ transactions after several trades on bisq. They never talked to me about the transactions instead they went straight to law enforcement. The system is fucked up.
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tuco 4 months ago
This definitely requires careful consideration. I got one bank account frozen for “many” ins and outs ant took me a while to get it back. Feels like shit. I would say totally aseptic partitions: 1. Different accounts inside of your usual bank: one account for the card, another for receiving and others to talk with other banks you don’t care much about (Revolut or similar, more than one) 2. Try to use the gift cards when possible. 3. Try to build a community of trust people so you can swap for cash and use more cash. 4. Also close nocoiners are useful and gives a bit resilience (“you pay (me) the rent, I’ll pay (you) the food and gas”) 5… anybody say something else…
if your bank closes your account for receiving money you should close that bank account, if all banks do the same in your area look to open an account in another área, there are a lot of different options around the world, look on Paraguay, Panamá, el salvador, ...
This is the limit of P2P bitcoin trading. Eventually, getting recurrent or large sums from random bank accounts will get your account flagged. Either your bank will close your account without warning or explanation, or these transactions will be reported to the tax authorities and you will be taxed on the « income ». This is why bitcoin circular economy is crucial to living on a bitcoin standard in a no-KYC way. #privacy #circulareconomy #p2p View quoted note →
This is the major issue with off-ramps and the solution (in my opinion) is to NOT need banks. Off-ramp solutions that allow you to pay directly for your everyday needs (no-KYC of course) is the way forward.