I just ran the numbers on The Retrograde comparing their spotify earnings against v4v. Strap in its a 🤯🤯🤯
The Retrograde earned $0.003 per stream on spotify and $0.40 per stream on v4v. That's a 130x increase in value per stream. Holy shit. 🫨🫨🫨
Put into a different context, it takes 130 fans in traditional music to equal just ONE v4v fan. That's fuckin nuts.
Let me say that again:
130 trad music fans = 1 v4v fan
Imagine what happens when major artists realize the earnings potential and we scale all this up. Cannabis Records is on the mission.
Thank you to all you mega chad laser eyed v4v fans who's supported us through your zaps, boosts, and boostagrams! We are on the verge of something earth shatteringly disruptive here in the musoc biz. Let's fuckin gooooo!
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This doesn't even account for the non monetary value generated as well 😀
Congrats!
FML I make a post about numbers and I can't count. My previous graphic only had 80 people lol. Here it is with the full 130...
View quoted note →Absolutely. It's just the tip of the iceburg.
Thank you!
You guys are the real MVPs here.
Ya'll are value overload.
Thank you 130x!!!
Would they be into a spring skirmish you think?
DM'd you
It seems interesting .. is there any guide for artist?
I'm not sure if there is something readily available but there are a lot of people out here willing to help. Wavlake is easy to get started on or you can use RSSBlue if you want to try a more sovereign route. Both are very easy to set up.
We have some big moves in the works along the lines of helping artists get set up. Stay tuned 😉
Supports that “true fans” model for realz
Nostr IS the capital allocation
Forget legacy platforms
The future is here
Absolutely. And this is just the beginning.
V4V fans are the signal
Trad fans are the noise
Sometimes I wonder if we have to train fans...on how to be...fans
Most people don't know this exists and that's okay. It'll come in time. It's all a massive flywheel.
We start with the true fans that are here today. The hardcore early adopters who have a personal stake in seeing this succeed. They in turn bring huge value to early adopter artists.
As the ecosystem grows bigger more established artists will enter (we are pushing hard on that button now). They bring along their most loyal fans.
As we keep building out innovative innitiatives (like what Satelite Skirmish is doing) the value prop on this side grows significantly, hardening the model.
Over time, traditional labels,, management, booking, sync will notice waning income (its already happening). Some will do their research and find us here with an established ecosystem. The ones with vision will buy in and stick around. Those without will simply die out.
And then it all breaks wide open from there.
Nice!
Cant count good 🙃. Didnt put enough spotifyoors on the previous pic
@New Music Nudge Unit take a look at this. It could help with the orange pilling.
The ₿udtender
I just ran the numbers on The Retrograde comparing their spotify earnings against v4v. Strap in its a 🤯🤯🤯
The Retrograde earned $0.003 per stream on spotify and $0.40 per stream on v4v. That's a 130x increase in value per stream. Holy shit. 🫨🫨🫨
Put into a different context, it takes 130 fans in traditional music to equal just ONE v4v fan. That's fuckin nuts.
Let me say that again:
130 trad music fans = 1 v4v fan
Imagine what happens when major artists realize the earnings potential and we scale all this up. Cannabis Records is on the mission.
Thank you to all you mega chad laser eyed v4v fans who's supported us through your zaps, boosts, and boostagrams! We are on the verge of something earth shatteringly disruptive here in the musoc biz. Let's fuckin gooooo!
Congrats btw, the only thing I’d like to add is “fan/fandom” implies a wall. When people engage media with time, tallent, or treasure they have stepped into a producer’s roll. Take Homegrown Hits for an example, I request songs not because I am a fan of the show (yes it is the best show ever), I request songs because I want to help produce their show. Same with making them artwork, sharing the show with a friend, boosting etc.
Hrmm interesting points. Still need to reframe a lot of the concepts and terms! It'll be a process though as people coming from legacy music need a bridge to help understand and transition into the new paradigm.
Make it happen! And if it seems like they're interested or at least intrigued, connect us! We can certainly help out. The value prop is massive. Check this out:
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The ₿udtender
I just ran the numbers on The Retrograde comparing their spotify earnings against v4v. Strap in its a 🤯🤯🤯
The Retrograde earned $0.003 per stream on spotify and $0.40 per stream on v4v. That's a 130x increase in value per stream. Holy shit. 🫨🫨🫨
Put into a different context, it takes 130 fans in traditional music to equal just ONE v4v fan. That's fuckin nuts.
Let me say that again:
130 trad music fans = 1 v4v fan
Imagine what happens when major artists realize the earnings potential and we scale all this up. Cannabis Records is on the mission.
Thank you to all you mega chad laser eyed v4v fans who's supported us through your zaps, boosts, and boostagrams! We are on the verge of something earth shatteringly disruptive here in the musoc biz. Let's fuckin gooooo!
It absolutely works. Just point em here. 👇🏾
View quoted note →They can talk all the shit they want but this is coming from a record label that operates both in the traditional music industry and v4v space. The article is just theory and assumptions. This is cold hard facts. The numbers don't lie.
View quoted note →Do you have a guide for how you release music? Trying to convince my brothers band to do it
We are working on getting something like that together. It's pretty simple if you go with rssblue. Just sign up for $5/mo and fill out the fields. Only "difficult" part is you need a lightning wallet that allows keysend. Fountain.fm is the easiest I've found.
We can also help them do all of this for a small split but id have to hear their stuff first since we'd be leveraging our reputation. It's easy enough to figure out themselves but we can offer a bit of promo as well if he wants to have it handled white glove.
Have you actually tried looking? To start, The Retrograde is neither experimental nor stoner rock. Most of the bands on v4v are neither of those things.
Out of all the bands we currently or formerly represented that are on v4v, literally zero of them are stoner rock or experimental:
The Trusted
Circle the Earth
MOOKY
The Velvicks
The Retrograde
This 👆🏽
And it works if you have good content and put in the effort.
View quoted note →Probably nothing 🙄🙃
I agree with this 💯
When barriers to entry are low, you do get a lot of noise. Curation is key and the value DJs are the easiest way to access that.
Yes, MusicSideProject.com
I wonder if it’s really 130 - 1 or if Spotify and other services are just 130th of your real share? Still, fascinating and thanks for taking the time to do the comparison and the cool TL;DR graphic for those too lazy to read! 👌
No Agenda has some producers who do a Rubblizer donation which is $3,333.33 USD!
That's 33 annual Spotify subscribers in 1 out of 104 shows!
V4V is definitely not easy but it's better than advertiser meetings, sales meetings, and whatever other meetings one has to do in order to do what one likes to do No Agenda also has producers who zap via podcast apps, produce original artwork for every show, are boots in the ground research all over the globe, donate time and resources for streaming, websites, meetups and sharing content to new listeners.
No Agenda also recognizes producers and not listeners, audience or subscribers. When you become an executive or associate producer you get to put your name on the IMBD!
THE PREMIUM CONTENT is up front.
In this instance I specifically compared against spotify using total dollars earned / total streams. On v4v side i compared total sats earned converted at 100k / total downloads.
But it actually gets crazier... Spotify data was over the full year while v4v was only 8.5 months.
Disrupt the music industry!!!
Remove those parasites in the middle!!!
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@Fountain @Nick Malster team but they will answer all of your questions! Tell them Ainsley sent you!
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