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nostr:npub1z4y76jl8r5d8p63defzedngv2nrp46jgt3hyuk5v533htrycm49q66zpx6 that's the guy Kruse is talking about in the podcast

I have been curious about structuring water for a while. First time I have read about Vogel crystals. I googled and found some but wonder if they are truly replications of his work, because the article made it seem like his couldn't be replicated. Or maybe I read to fast lol. I will keep looking into it.

I have been using the quartz biodynamic prep and found it did some interesting stuff so that's how I got into this mess in the first place 😁. This is Vogel stuff is new to me too let me know if you find anything more about his crystals.

We 🫶 weird, nerdy rabbit holes haha. I will. I want to try structuring water soon.

There seems to be also sort of methods that are point in roughly the same sort of direction with different explanations or parts of the puzzle as what is happening whether its biodynamics, Schauberger or Pollack. I think Jack Kruse with his water, light and magnetism thesis helps tie it all together. I found out the Vogel guy from this podcast. If you just want to listen to the water structuring bit go to 1:10. He then extrapolates it to the pyramids etc which I think makes a lot of sense once you get your head round it which is why I keep badgering redtailhawk to listen to it 😁 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtNBy3lRjSI

I will give it a listen 🙏

I haven't run across Kruse yet. From my own experimentations, light and grounding have made the biggest differences. Light, as in all times of day but defo red light from sunrise and set and ~20 min mid day sun. I am currently building a sun replication set being in the Dutch fall/winter now lol. Have a red light with two wavelengths and looking at an infrared plus a UVB like for a reptile terrarium lol for heat + the wavelength for Vit D production. Next, I was going to add in structured water.

Very nice. I don't know that I've mentioned Marcel Vogel yet in any podcast guest appearances however I'm sure I've mentioned him in my research notes and in the weekly study group sessions. I even have a Vogel crystal. I am all but certain that I have mentioned Marcel Vogel to npub16sq23d0f0algnztk65gmsa9fj6p90anap2reucwlk94zxge7ve3s5pscjz before given the research he's doing. The late Dr. Robert Gilbert put Marcel Vogel on my radar. https://blossom.primal.net/9f6b99ab0d4cf67fb4a3c32302d5b02b585607cf2609cd1852489e8d82acdbe3.mov

Aging wine? K I'm interested.

The only in the middle is a Vogel Star of David pendant. It helps balance the chakras by bringing energy down from the upper to the lower ones. Not good if you have developed the lower ones more than the upper’s but I’ve got the opposite problem. The other two I use in energy healing. The general shape came to Vogel in a vision and is related to the Tree of Life from the Kabbalah. The exact angles will vary in true Vogel crystals as differently structured people resonate with slightly different angles. The structure of the crystal itself should be considered when cutting it as well. So the few crystal cutters that know his work will factor in more factors than most on the market. Still one of these came from India for only $150 and is incredibly powerful. I’ve not circled back to Schauberger as he is my first research project and I’m a Pisces.😉 The structuring of water is diverse because there is not structured/unstructered water. There is many kinds of structuring some beneficial and in a variety of ways and some detrimental as in the effects of pollutants or negative energies. So structured with natural processes like Schauberger will probably be generally beneficial or beneficial relative to the local forces (ie mountain spring water). If you charge it with love will be warming and healing where orgone will charge it with chemical ether. Some simply look at the clusters of water molecules and smaller rings more efficiently do water stuff than the larger rings of stagnant water.

You in luck then, its not the first time I have heard it apparently it works with stuff that emits far infrared light too like bioceramic stuff.

Its the coherence aspect that I find interesting because the main difference seems to be intent and its shape . If you can put the quartz in water and its emitting uv range biophotons that's something that can be picked up a photomultiplier. So it would be interesting to see the difference between this and a 'conventional' piece of quartz. It does also slightly make me wonder the point of grinding quartz in a biodynamic preparation if presumably it could sit in the water and possibly achieve a similar result. As an aside there are also other people saying similar things with regard to wine etc with bio ceramic materials. These are microbe fermented clay fired at high temps that are meant to emit near infrared and then you have biochar quenched with microbes during firing that are meant to do a similar thing. When you think about basalt it is formed in a volcano at high temps and slowly cool in the core of the volcano and is in constant contact with the earth and quartz crystals form with heat again under similar but different circumstances and the slower they cool the larger the crystal. So if you get things really hot the theme is you can imprint something on the material. Even metallurgy is much the same thing isn't it? Polycrystalline material we imprint with other materials and anneal and quench to dictate its eventual crystal size and properties.

Yeah some of the issues here is vocabulary reuse. Structured water is one of those words that's reused and its not defined. So is structured water 20mins of infrared hitting water making an EZ water like Pollack says or is it Schauberger's full water cycle water coming out of spring at around 4 degrees C. That's why I have found Kruse very useful because he has read all the stuff I have in the past and seems to have the glue that sticks it all together. I have not heard him talk about orgone but I know about Reich have some orgonite and Steiner refers a lot to the ether, so I am curious as to how would you define the ether?

I wouldn’t define it. I’m still early in my journey of perceiving things like ether. My understanding of it is based on the European 4 ethers model and that mostly from Steiner, his students, and direct perception. Basically there are unseen natural forces that the material world is the expression of. The chemical ether often associated with the water element has to do with frequency and vibration. Orgone would use infrared photography to perceive forces progressing through the ethers while in the warmth ether stage. He would then influence it to progress towards or away from rain. FYI be careful and conscious of your work with these things. I have a set up a 5 Chinese elements system and added some unclean silver to the metal element portion. Had some serious unnecessary doubts about my sanity for a week before it dawned on me my mistake.

Fair enough. Similar situation for me. What your talking about sounds like it crosses over with Gerald Pollacks work. I think considering where Schauberger was high in the Austrian alps and in Europe away from the equator his work he has to be referring to deuterium depleted water. If you read Robert Temples A new science of heaven he talks a bit about orgone in there and places along side some plasma related phenomena. Randall Carlson suggests the biggest man made hill in Europe aka Silbury Hill near Avebery could be a giant orgone accumulator. Also the Egyptian pyramids too as there and where Red talks about where Mu is have a large plasma bubble above them detected by China's LARID radar system. There could be more plasma bubbles elsewhere its just where they have this system its the latitude China exists a country.

Our family company Densitron founded by my Dad funded the inventor of TFT LCD screens in Cambridge and setup one of the first TFT factories in China, it was called Vbest, it still exists today and is called Evervision. https://www.densitron.jp/about-us https://www.evervisionlcd.com/en/

Is there anything your family didn't invent? Shrapnel, corkscrews, screens and your face 😂

We didn't invent TFT's just give the inventor of them money 😂

What ye inventing next?

Me, as a robot AI, to carry on running the family office 😂 nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzp6pmv65w6tfhcp73404xuxcqpg24f8rf2z86f3v824td22c9ymptqyt8wumn8ghj76rfwd6zumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsqg96rzfeheh9u8hm7l6g7x84rhlck8arkrrm4lzdzucf9vaf3sheq5u78nes

If I remember correctly Pollacks version is primarily about forming water into its smallest ring structure to make the water more efficient. Big rings not making it into cells, carrying less dissolved matter exc… Schauberger wasn’t looking through a microscope (at least not primarily) and was focused on the phenomena accompanying water and a yin/yang polarity in his understanding of a whole system. Like water with the right mineral content would not eat away at the banks of the river, petrify wood to preserve it, exc… with imbalanced minerals it could be “hungry” and prone to eat away at its banks and flood towns. He first and foremost was a forester and was interested in healthy ecosystem as a whole not producing super water in a bottle. So a simple example is the calcium and sulfur that make the drywall in your house are opposite polarities in the periodic table and are quite stable together. Water with only one and with the same dissolved matter will be “hungry” and try and dissolve the minerals it needs into itself and deposit the others trying to seek a balance. Reike with his orgone work would be doing something different than Schauberger and Pollack as his is working with forces not entirely on the physical plane. Masaru Emoto demonstrated that we can imprint information into water and that points to validity of blessings and things on what we drink, but doesn’t explain much. Basically you have to get into spiritual traditions to follow that line. That’s where I’ve gone since moving from water to growing plants, then health in general, and now a mixing of energy healing and spiritual traditions ironically that have mentioned Schauberger and his work.

Yes the driving factor in Pollacks work is the infrared exposure to water that's why I mentioned it. You mentioned infrared in relation to orgone which is interesting I haven't heard of that, but its sort the key thing driving what pollack mentions. I think he will also discover other things relating to UV eventually, I have seen him mention it a bit but considering how important biophotons seem to be in biological systems he probably has more work to do. I think Reich's work is very different too and this sort of stuff could have been included as ether. I think what he is talking about it more is plasma based and perhaps his accumulators are like a capacitor for plasma. Some people claim they get thunderstorms from using a cloud buster, considering the sun which is emitting plasma is know to help cause thunderstorms on the planet this sort of links up. In Temple's book he also talks about dusty complex plasma clouds which seem to show evidence of intelligence and then gives a lots of other evidence that hints that the soul is plasma based. It covers a lot of stuff and is a very interesting read. If you want to get into the imprinting side of water more than just what Emote did go check out Luc Montagnier's water work if you haven't already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8VyUsVOic0

I serendipitously found this afterwards. I have almost no idea what they are talking about lol. Going to take quite a few listens for this to make sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ommu3nKSHpc