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jb55 _@jb55.com 4 months ago
things like this give me host for decentralized video hosting: - rented blossom services - client-HLS-blossom encoding support for high performance video hosted in blossom chunks on your own node or rented node. one day far in the future... disrupt youtube and rumble? restore the internet to its former glory?
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anyone using https://eggstr.com ? looks interesting
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Gigi dergigi.com 4 months ago
RESTORE THE INTERNET TO ITS FORMER GLORY
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things like this give me host for decentralized video hosting: - rented blossom services - client-HLS-blossom encoding support for high performance video hosted in blossom chunks on your own node or rented node. one day far in the future... disrupt youtube and rumble? restore the internet to its former glory? View quoted note →
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Sebastix _@sebastix.dev 4 months ago
Correct: nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqun2rcnpe3j8ge6ws2z789gm8wcnn056wu734n6fmjrgmwrp58q3qyv8wumn8ghj7enfd36x2u3wdehhxar
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jb55 _@jb55.com 4 months ago
thats a terrible protocol for video though, if you actually care about perf. cdn-based blossom nodes would be way more efficent
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jb55 _@jb55.com 4 months ago
this is very misleading. the bittorrent protocol is not optimized for video streaming. try building a tik-tok style client that has a near 0 time to first frame latency for multiple videos. with bittorrent there is a lot of gossip overhead.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 4 months ago
i literally talked to bram cohen about this in person. this is why he was developing bittorrent live which unfortunately became closed source.
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Justin (shocknet) thecto@lightning.video 4 months ago
I'm afraid you're misinformed. We've been using it for years for precisely the performance reason The web-seeding nature of WebTorrent is beyond than normal Bittorrent The chunking and ordering is the exact same as HLS, WebTorrent then adds onto that the ability to chunk over RTC in the browser to handle swarm events.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 4 months ago
i think we just have different definitions of performance. if you think webtorrent beats youtube in terms of performance I don't know what to say.
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Justin (shocknet) thecto@lightning.video 4 months ago
Youtube is performant because its http to a geographically close datacenter. WebTorrent layered over a traditional CDN is the same exact thing I'm not sure what's so hard to understand, WebTorrent is regular CDN capable with regular HLS chunking... same exact performance, it's additive when it reduces bandwidth costs by shedding chunks over RTC to peers. Yahoo literally used this for their content delivery at massive scale already, your assumptions are wrong.
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Technical Debt yangm97@NostrAddress.com 4 months ago
I wonder if it would be a proper solution to fetch the first X chunks of a video from a blossom server, possibly at a lower quality, and then switch to something else if the user continues on that video instead of swapping again. I mean, that should give you both low latency withoug giving up on lower distribution costs, just need to work out the complexity cost of such a solution that is.
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Justin (shocknet) thecto@lightning.video 4 months ago
That's exactly what WebTorrent does by using webseeds. It's providing a redundant source for chunks while maintaining the raw performance of a traditional source. An array of webseeds in the magnet also allow it to download chunks from disparate CDN's without a load balancer to handle that in the back-end, if one gets rugged your links still *just work*
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Technical Debt yangm97@NostrAddress.com 4 months ago
I think the “near zero latency” is still a valid UX concern. Do you know if it’s possible to setup a webtorrent library in a way that it is forced to try fetching from HTTP the first couple of chunks and only after a short delay fire up the lookup for seeders?
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Justin (shocknet) thecto@lightning.video 4 months ago
It's already doing that, there's no round-trip to a tracker required before hitting the webseed directly to get the mov atom and first chunks. It's just a client that makes use of additional data.
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VictorieeMan VictorieeMan@victoriee.com 4 months ago
cool
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