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There’s no doubt we need more improvements. Justin’s point is that the current L2s do not fulfill the claims they make.

Noe your starving miners of fees

Let's em suffer

Lightning's UX issues are inherited from it being an emergent part of Bitcoin, no "L2" can fix that as the physics of chain security are what they are. Only centralization and trust mitigate the experience for the casual user, which is what Fake L2's are repackaging with scam narratives. That being the case, the only honest and philosophically consistent approach is localization of that trust and coordination to family/small-business scale appliances

I like this and agree. Any L2 will have trade offs.