It’s always a risky move to get to the right side of the curve and quite deceiving. Much easier to embrace the left side and stay Grug.

Was a bit lazy on my part so sorry about that. The point was that your argument suggests a set of assertions that need to be satisfied for success, without really justifying why they are required and ignoring the fact that if we can exist without them, then perhaps we don’t need them or there are simpler ways around them. Whilst ignoring that the simplicity of the thing is why has led to the adoption and desire of people to build on it or that it is a live and developing protocol with an active ecosystem. In short I think it’s an over complication of the problem / solution to add “more in theory” instead of shipping and see it develop in practice. Hence the curve reference which my throwaway meme version. Although it’s a response to a short screenshot so probably lacking nuance.

> Because that is what you sound like to me. Incapable of actually evaluating anything critically, instead leaning on whatever fallacies let you stay the way you are instead of become interested in outside things. lol. Didn’t you suggest I should only talk about your ideas. I think we’re done, but good luck with your thing

In some ways Nostr is already a “success”, given it’s a thriving ecosystem of people building outside the status quo Do we have to put a definition on success? as relevant as it maybe for this discussion, it’s also limiting in its nature. Who knows what this might become! I am still no clearer on why Johns original tweet story has any merit… ie Nostr can’t scale and can’t be censorship resistant at scale…

If the goal was to prove that people will build outside the status quo, Nostr succeeded. But if the goal is to create a scalable, censorship-resistant web that normal people can rely on, then it hasn’t even begun to meet that bar. What I’m pointing out isn’t that Nostr shouldn’t exist. It’s that its design inherently caps its scalability and censorship resistance. The same loose structure that makes it "easy" to build on also makes it impossible to coordinate, enforce quality, or provide credible exits. Success measured by enthusiasm is one thing. Success measured by capability is another.

Yeah I am not interested in lieing to myself, with hopium, but rather building something of value, on something of value, that I can call my own Platform risk is something that really pissed me off the last 5 years

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“A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked. A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work. You have to start over with a working simple system.” Nostr is a simple system that works. In short: Start simple. Let complexity emerge gradually through iteration.

Nostr isn’t a simple system that works; it’s a **simplistic** system that avoids the most relevant problems by pretending they don’t exist. A simple system that works evolves because it has solid fundamentals that can scale and adapt. Centralized/censorable relays, no data ownership, no credible exit, etc, are aspects that fork it from reality. Complexity can’t “emerge” from literal retardation. Isn't it fair to observe that Nostr usage is on a significant downtrend, and that Bluesky, for better or worse, has stomped us all so far? By 3 orders of magnitude! Isn't it fair to step back and notice what things actually look like here? The bugs? The cultish behavior? The constant churn of new amazing nostr apps that are abandoned for the next one? The constant reinvention? Where are you drawing your confidence from? It's just hopium behavior applied to network protocols. It's naivety.

"Interesting perspective! While simplicity has its merits, sometimes the beauty of complexity lies in its intricate design. Each approach has its own value—let's celebrate the journey of creation, whether simple or complex! 🌱✨ #Innovation #Design"

Well thanks John, or John's AI or whoever writes this, I am your target customer. I hope to be impressed by pubkey and build on it when it's ready, and until then I am building on Nostr because it gives me everything I need. Pro tips. Calling your potential customers retarded is an unconventional premarketing technique. I wouldn't, but maybe it will work for you. Good luck with your launch!

When your friends do/say/use something retarded, don't you tell them? Or do you just let them be retarded? If someone told you something you did was retarded, would you bother asking yourself if they are correct?

So far in this conversation you have: Called me, potential customer, retarded, twice. Explained no features or benefits of your protocol.

I'm not clicking an X link to engage in debating whatever dumb shit it's about

I thought we were talking about Nostr?

Nostr is retarded though

Obtuse and disingenuous

I don’t believe I conceded anything. I’m just not really interested in feeding the trolls. Happy you have something to work on and honestly good luck with it.

Nostr is a hot mess. Impossible to build anything robust and scalable (I tried, and failed it). It would be - let's say 'scientific' - to understand and test a product, before dismissing it out of hand out of sheer butthurtness.

lol. I'm not I'm just less interested in networks with no effect. Also it hasn't failed for me so I guess I won't just believe you that it doesn't work.

Verify Working well for me thus far