“Rolling dice is too hard to secure $100,000s of bitcoin.”
My 9 year old daughter:
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That looks IMPOSSIBLE for adults! I need a 9 year old to do that for me.
That dice wallet looks cool, I havent heard of it
Nice! I need to dig out my esp32s and get this running.
I want a dice box like that! Did you make it?
Only thing I'd say is give that box more space. 😂😂
Rolling dice is too difficult is a retarded and lazy statement.
Love the gadgets! 🤗
Made this this week.
Shout out @The Wrathful ₿uddha ☸️ for the lossless method. (As lossless as we can get probably)
Flat list - with instructions
I seem to have lost my collection of dice... That said, they were Coinkite dice so they were probably pseudo-random anyway.
Do you think normal people will ever self-custody this way? Bitcoin is a fun hobby for those of us who lead rich, internal, intellectual LARPs, but at some point, it's gonna escape the lab, get into regular people's hands, and it's totally out of our control what personal custody looks like at that point.
Look up "Von Neumann Unbiasing". If you want to get even closer to perfection.
TLDR; Roll a SINGLE die twice in a row. If 1st > 2nd, write 1, if 1st < 2nd write 0, if 1st = 2nd, roll again.
More than double the roll time, but closer to perfection if you really want it, without needing casino grade balanced dice.
Shout out (hopefully the same) @npub169we...vfmu for the tip.
Kids are sponges. We learn to lock the door before taking a poo, we are expected to learn basics of driving and practice with an expert before getting behind a wheel by ourselves on the public roads.
I don't see why this can't be normal. It's normal to learn maths, it's normal to play dice games.
Meh. I don't think we like money -- we endure it to get the stuff we actually want. The history of money is finding more convenient ways to use and manage it, so we can think about it as little as possible.
Better money, to normal people is money they don't have to think about.
Bitcoin self-custody is actually an intellectual exercise for nerdy libertarians who never met a money topic they didn't want to sperg out on.
Conclusion: How bitcoiners think and manage their money is actually the opposite of what normal people want to do.
Its not about money its about security. Everyone wants to protect their belongings, more of our belongings are digital, and the idea that we will want to look after our own things by ourselves is not an extreme thing.
I think online culture is constantly changing, in the wrong direction at the moment, but I think the need and demand for anonymity and sovereignty on the internet will explode and eventually become not stigmatised.
It probably won't happen very quickly and definitely not all at once, so these tools exist for those who need it as more of us need it.
I think this is just dreamboarding that one day, people will start thinking and acting like you. It's a thing bitcoiners do, and I think it's unrealistic. The world turns out fiercely independent intellectual dorks at an incredibly slow rate, and I don't see a reason the trend would reverse.
I don't pretend to believe that everybody is going to use Bitcoin this way, but those who do, will have the most agency. I do believe that.
I tried googling it and it didn't find it. A little SEO might help
lol, I just published this, too: 
You can just do similar things with the same trigger 😅
Seed Keys
Generate a Seed Phrase: 4 Offline Secure Methods
Learn how to generate a seed phrase from real, verifiable entropy: coin, dice, cards, or Penlock. You control the randomness, not your wallet.
I’m curious what the thing on the right is.
Looks like a hard drive.
You could epoxy the dice in place after the roll. Just sayin.
There are programs online to SHA256 dice rolls. Use them to verify the wallet’s firmware. Then use the wallet for real.
DO NOT USE THEM TO VERIFY REAL DICE ROLLS
I guess a battery bank, these DIY device have no battery usually, like the Specter DIY or SeedSigner.
That's probably right and maybe Bitcoin biggest adoption block. Our only chance is to make Bitcoin so easy, so bulletproof, so natural that everyone WANT to use it, not HAVE to use it.
Do you basically flip a coin but with a dice.
Its more than just flipping a coin with a die, you find two outcomes that are equivalent despite any bias in the physical object and use them to build your random number generator without bias. (Mileage may vary, nothing is 100% purely random except maybe the half life of radioactive matter)
Build Bigger Shoulders
xkcd
Random Number
Test the device against an online program (or indeed many programs). If the device and the program(s) agree N times, you have to ask yourself why would you not trust the device on run N+1?
Oh it's the Lifeboat Theory. You are somehow special and get to survive the Titanic sinking, because people didn't choose to become obsessed with the same thing as you.
Wow - where can I get one of those dice boxes?
Also, here is a completely transparent way to generate an electrum (legacy) seed phrase from dice without trusting any electronic device to process the dice rools:
WARNING! Use at your own risk!!
#dicerolls, #bitcoin, #seed
Using six sided dice to generate 12 random words from electrum wordlist
Using six sided dice to generate 12 random words from electrum wordlist