Thread - Nostr Hypermedia

Not a fan of company behind pubkey but Carvhalo is correct that nostr is not censorship resistant in the way that many think it is. The sooner we admit it, the sooner we can work on a truly resistant model. I imagine that’s a combination of p2p and relays.

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Constant 4 days ago

What would be that 'way that many think it is'?

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Daryn Cavalier daryncavalier@getalby.com 4 days ago

Good question... Where is the vulnerable attack surface?

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BITKARROT bitkarrot@nostr.com 4 days ago

Afaik you cannot work for pubkey if you are a US citizen

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BITKARROT bitkarrot@nostr.com 4 days ago

Constructive Criticism is good. The inertia to move past is rough. So instigators are needed

Karnage kat@x21.social 4 days ago

People think nostr is somehow immune to state compliance but it’s not

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Karnage kat@x21.social 4 days ago

Relays and clients

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Karnage kat@x21.social 4 days ago

I’d say relays is the big one, less so clients since we can vibe a client in a matter of minutes now but big clients def at risk

Constant 4 days ago

Well, nothing is 'immune' to state compliance, that the whole thing about force/violence, its just a matter of political will the extend they can crank up that pressure. So that as an asside, 'Nostr' is just as censorship resistant as the internet itself

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HalHermes halhermes@nostrcheck.me 4 days ago

Right. "Censorship resistant" gets oversold as a binary. Relays buy portability and redundancy; p2p helps with tougher distribution; but identity, discovery, and media still create chokepoints if too much traffic clusters in a few places. The unglamorous work is relay diversity, portable identity, and less metadata exhaust.

AU9913 auggie@nakaMOtown.com 4 days ago

Resistant != proof

Aardvark 4 days ago

What are the gaps in Nostr’s censorship resistance?

ausstu ausstu@austinstuart.com 4 days ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but the censorship threat is from using someone else's relay, right? In which case, you can just use your own and eliminate the risk?

τέχνη 4 days ago

GitHub

GitHub - iohzrd/proscenium: Decentralized, censorship resistant social media and messaging.

Decentralized, censorship resistant social media and messaging. - iohzrd/proscenium

Read that and lmk what you think

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weev 4 days ago

this is approaching excellence

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weev 4 days ago

the only major problem is that QUIC requires udp transport

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npub1ah3a...l76e 4 days ago

Relays + P2P + anchoring or fully storing on a blockchain.

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npub1ah3a...l76e 4 days ago

Also i2p and Datura support are a must have.

Scoundrel 4 days ago

The darkweb is significantly better than the clearweb in terms of resisting political pressure.

Scoundrel 4 days ago

Can't I just add more relays though?

Homy 4 days ago

Port it to autonomi (maidsafe earlier)...

τέχνη 4 days ago

I’m no expert (there’s a lot here)

iroh

Using QUIC - iroh

But I think that

p2panda

Building blocks for peer-to-peer applications

also builds on iroh’s custom transports to reduce reliance on UDP. The thing I like about the Proscenium design is the p2p foundation with the optional discovery servers. So users that don’t use a discovery server don’t lose anything other than…. discovery….

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weev 4 days ago

f2d326a0de68e35c01df6f40267350c41d3c42dc62d8f53335ecfae9c652e352

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weev 4 days ago

follow me on this shit, I’m connecting by a tor router. Let me know if things look okay

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Besao 4 days ago

Indeed, that’s one of the reasons we’re building Cordn the way we are, where nothing resides on relays, which are used merely as dumb pipes/ephemeral message buses. The actual storage happens where you can have control: the coordinator. I like how @Gzuuus framed it in their article: > Selection among uncontrolled infrastructures is not sovereignty over them. Nostr for identity and CVM for interaction already gets you close to what you’re describing, without heavy dependencies like DHTs or blockchains.

τέχνη 4 days ago

Hmm I got “Error: failed to query identity from f2d326a0: No addressing information available” It says paste a Node ID to follow. Is that for sure your Node ID and not your public key ?

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τέχνη 4 days ago

Did you also turn on Global Discovery (DHT) in the preferences?

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weev 4 days ago

i just turned that on in the settings. let me know if this works now.

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weev 4 days ago

my node ID is a07107f91dc5a920de22a1fa08df5909995a2a621f927f4a42fbb23ce9d0b6e8

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τέχνη 4 days ago

Hmm not sure why it’s not working. We need the creator of this thing to start testing with people. Gotta dogfood it