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We’re here. You’re just being inundated by a bunch of whaling has-beens that are sour the Ocean squad is doing it better than they ever could. Let’s go baby
Stay the course Mechanic!
Bitcoin legend
Bitaxe tidal wave incoming 📨🖖
thank you for being so outspoken about this and doing what is right for Bitcoin instead of doing what makes your business more profit. That cannot be said about everyone speaking on this topic.
Exactly... put the problem where it belongs! If spammers get around the filters via miners, then we decentralize the mining (which needs to be done anyway).
We need a bitaxe in every bitcoiner’s home mining to their own node. I’m doing my part.
I've gone to Jesus. Bitcoin influencers are false prophets. The only way to save Bitcoin is to pray and offer it to Jesus as a vehicle for him to help people live without the Antichrist. Otherwise it is a vain attempt for secular humanists to bring more people to Satan.
I don't make the rules. I just follow them.
The provided rationale to remove limits is so weak that one can only guess what the actual motivation is, given the amount of emphasis they are giving it.
A "laundry list" of reasons is not how you build a solid case. "Wearing them out" with technical jargon, details and endless repitition does not work on actual technical people. If you have a good reason, lay it out and lead with that. If you have to buttress your main argument with weaker arguments, then you are hiding your real reason.
away!
seriously, i don't know where it will go, but it seems each side stay on his position now.
it would be nice to have a single place with a listing of true concern.
to know the most urgent problem or the most important.
because there is a wave of issues that are coming out from this OP_RETURN concern.
And it is hard to find that and each reply in these noise (the insults and just the "i quit" messages)
like this summarize :
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100%
Bitcoin only survives in its current state by grace of God.
I don't care about them. I care about everyone realizing what they're doing and walking away.
FUD*/* *B* 4 lift'O'ff o_O'' may*B*
#wizardzwavingwandz
The argument that this PR will reduce out-of-band payments is especially disingenuous. OP_RETURN usage will quickly max out, and then pools will go right back to taking these payments. Then we'll have two problems instead of one. I highly doubt spammers who have developed some process that depends on out-of-band are going to completely refactor and switch to OP_RETURN. They'll continue doing what works, especially when blocks are bloated with even more spam. Out-of-band payments will increase if anything.
sum1 is pump/\/ shitcoinz & idk buttbut, retail/tale/tell?
for sure luke went off and made knots, at least
Follow the money.
People should consider this situation a remote parking lot in a national park. Typically, only a few hikers show up, but when the wildflower bloom occurs, the area fills up with cars. Volunteers, known as node runners, install a 7-foot clearance bar at the entrance. While sedans and SUVs can still pass through, larger RVs that want to camp for the weekend and occupy multiple spots for little or no fee cannot. Since the beam is permanently welded in place, any future volunteer, referred to as a miner, must enforce the same height limit. This system has no central authority; it relies on the structure that has been passed down.
In contrast, consider a scenario where a single volunteer bans gasoline-powered cars, blocking valid transactions. This personal choice can easily be reversed when the next volunteer allows gas guzzlers in, pocketing the parking donations. However, many supporters of Ordinals/BRC-20 are now confusing this height limit, which is neutral and equitable, with censorship, equating it to outright bans. This misunderstanding persists despite their earlier support for Marathon's real OFAC blocklist—filters should not be mistaken for censorship.
Many truths sincerely spoken my friend.
This seems to have turned out differently in other areas.
Are there any proposed solutions for the bloat of the UTXO set? If spammers attempt to make a UTXO un-spendable with a false receiver address but otherwise follow TX consensus rules, is there a way to stop it? Thanks and love & support what you do!
Nobody answers this, they just ignore the question.
run Bitcoin knots. that's s it
Exactly
The serious people moved on to Monero a while ago.
The biggest problem on bitcoin is mining that is centralized. Everything else sounds like noise
The first thing I ask myself is qui bono? Who benefits? In this case is it the node runners (decentralized) or a group that wants control?
How am I supposed to reduce centralization in mining? My miners aren't with them, done.
Game theory remains. I cannot control the actions of others. I must make the decisions that build a system that causes them to choose to be less harmful.
In this case the filter increases the incentive for Mara to maintain slipstream. Slipstream increases centralization. Or I could drop the filter from my node and reduce the incentive to maintain slipstream reducing centralization incentives.
Where have all the people who remember bitcoin relies on game theory gone?
Centralization creeps while we fiddle with filters. Wake up before Bitcoin's freedom crumbles. ⛏️
Knots, Datum and mine on Ocean!
I believe that Luke has a solution, but people won’t listen because of ego.
Tell EM!
Just want to thank you for everything mechanic. I know it can't be fun taking on the attacks of all the shitcoiners trying to bring a ethereum ecosystem on bitcoin L1.
Ok, thanks. I’ll be on the lookout for it.
This guy gets it!
We want solarBits!!!
Thanks KC. That was a long thread to get through and can’t say I understand much of the programming details but still good background info.
I found some of the counterpoints to be false arguments: Non Sequitors, Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, etc. which leaves Luke’s proposal still strongly logical and justified without strong counter arguments.
That makes 2 of us Delta Mike. I don’t wear the developer hat so I only understand it on the surface level. It sounds like Luke has a few answers that no-one is talking about so it must be political.
All the core Devs are Bitcoin VC employees now
I don't know much about spam filters, but it look like it's only about mempool. Is possible for user to define spam filter in btc core? For example can i create script which not allow in my mempool inscriptions?
@Printer youre taking too long 👀🥲😁💗🤟
When do we want it?
We're building as fast as we can. Roadmap still on rough schedule. 😅
I'll be waiting 🙃
Great analogy.
