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Idk I think this is eventually going to be really cool. We saw similar trends with e-commerce, which was really hard to do at first, but now almost anyone can open an online store. And recording music, and publishing writing, and...insert long list here. If more people can do it, the better I say : )

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I remember sharing links like check out my music. 😂 😂 😂 everybody has become exactly like an up and coming artist

But wasnt this with internet as well, back then, and now? It seems a natural progress of evolution, that makes some things easier, some things harder. Which from a game theory point of view is logical. You cannot make things easier without making some things harder, because it would throw off the balance.

I feel this. I want to start making projects on my GitHub but wonder if people will believe it’s me coding them, or me just vibe coding projects. It sucks

This age everybody wants to be a podcaster and a "coder" (with AI) 😄

Well, it's not just coding ability, there is also the ideas behind each software. When software took more work to create that work also served to filter out people who weren't very interested in it or hadn't thought enough about it and were still stuck in the first bad idea they had, also the laborious process of working served to educate these same people about many aspects of the thing they were making that would have an influence on the final product (or lack of, if they gave up or pivoted in the middle of the work).

If the software is expected to have some complex mechanics, then yes. But if it's simple software with simple functions, I don't care whether the author used neural networks or not. The main thing is that it works more or less stably.

It's also not AI. AI would just make the best ideas. It might reply to your posts with questions about what you meant by vague parts, but it would work on its own. These are just chat bots trying to code without any actual intelligence

Chat bots pretending to be AI coders don't seem to help democratize anything. The internet potentially democratizes stuff compared to TV/radio by having more channels, all else being equal. "All else" has to not be "equal" to have a situation like today where TV and the internet are level enough to compete as a "rational" person's potential platforms.

maybe ... but still, every now & then something incredible & inspired will emerge from the noise, something that changes the world, something that otherwise would never have been ...

Seems like you're not understanding the cybersecurity situation of the modern world where people pump out new stuff and learn to pump it out much faster than they analyze it for vulnerabilities or learn to do that

The main point as you mentioned towards the end of your message is going to be "reputation". Decentralized reputation will likely become exponentially increasingly more important.

Hello! Speaking of newcomers with no reputation… here’s a Strava like fitness app I built nostr:nprofile1qqs240jpgqkunks9pfxvjluxs8ul93q8clg70c8pvxdyu70dcva7gdgpramhxue69uhkummnw3ez6un9d3shjtnzd96xxmmfdchxu6twdfssz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsdghexv. Supports NIP-46 and lets you share cardio and strength workouts as short text notes on Nostr. Also made it so that it automatically zaps those notes if there is verifiable heart rate data #SweatForSats. Would love to get some feedback and submit this on nostrapps.com if this qualifies as a Nostr client.

Reputation needs a way to be bootstrapped, otherwise you end up with a closed club of friends no one else can reach. Well, actually it is worse, it becomes such that talented people with good ideas can't reach the top, but useless or evil people with talent for politician-style soft-talk and "networking" abilities (psychopaths) can reach much more easily. To some extent everything is a bit like this and will always be, but we can get to a situation in which this plays a bigger or smaller role. Up to recently the field of "programming" was one in which talent played a more important role than in other fields on average. The difference about what happens now, I think, will be whether we can figure out other filters to judge people's code projects and use or other attributes to base reputation on, rather than just small-world personal connections.

Maybe so.

Humans will always stuff from worship complex (it's worse now than ever). The key is social algo's that boost small accounts and good ideas over mega account slop. Discovery and early stage.

Вот перевод: A good example of "simple" software that became possible thanks to vibe-coding is Bitchat. Yes, I don't like how Bitchat uses Nostr, but aside from that it's still an excellent example. Another example is various games, including card games.

Yea absolutely, I keep thinking about this and "the closed clubs of insiders" concept feel like "the closed groups of crypto VC investors or shitcoiners", meanwhile "a truly honest bootstrap" would feel like Bitcoin. That's why I wrote this article earlier today, do you think this could be grounwork fir a solid, fair and equitable reputation system? nostr:naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqfru2t6p0rnvnsfvglawye00f2xv33fetujdd7z3yvxsffvn9dr0qqckjer9vykkvmmj94sj6en4d3k8jttyv43k2mn5wfskc6t6v4jz6mn0wd68ytt4de5hvetjwdskcttfvsarkpjw

Yes, I’ve had this thought. This affects the creator space as well. Since there is more and more AI slop and these days, it can be hard to tell the difference, it’s easier to just look at the big creators that already have a reputation.

This is a valid observation & something I've been trying to figure out how to work around since I've kind of volunteered myself to the cause of finding usable, recommendable apps. Lowering the entry barrier for everyone means raising the expectation barrier for everyone, too. I don't see any other way forward. Now whether that view can become common? I have my doubts.

Same is true for all generative AI slop. Text, Music, Images, Video. AI is the ultimate spam attack on all of content creation.

Fair point. So how that reputation will be build then to have sty to reply on? GitHub’s stars or forks scores?

Hmm, yes. I suppose I mean that, in order for me to even try something, I would prefer to see it being actively improved for some respectable but artibtrary length of time, since most of these "try my app" announcements are things that get abandoned so quickly. That's where my expectation changes. But I'm looking at this from the user perspective. I imagine having the ability to contribute improvements to a good idea shifts that perspective a lot.

You think vibecoding is a bad idea, wait until you see vibedevops.

Theres already a large spam of to-do list apps. The whole open source ecosystem is built around scarcity. No one was ever trying out your to-do list. I guess some like you try out all kinds of apps because you wanna see what's being built with nostr, but normal people only try apps they need. And if no other app like yours exists, your target users will find and try yours, not even questioning if you vibecoded it or not. Amateur open source developers have always and will continue to be relevant on the margins of software, in the niche use cases that companies and more experienced developers haven't got to yet. The masses of additional software from vibecoding might push out the margins into smaller and smaller niches, but there will be just as much opportunities there as there ever was. Honestly it's no different than the influx of Indians into open source projects trying to build up their github resume with shitty commits. In terms of both volume and code quality, I'd say vibe coding is a smaller problem.

Interesting insight So once again personal brand holds huge value In a world in which the vast majority of services are commoditised, people buy from people because of WHO they are, not because of the offer per say So the potential of Nostr with the web-of-trust lens, plus ageless sales truths, is the launchpad for future businesses I did a podcast recently in which I discussed the connection between “form and matter” I wonder, does vibe coding impact this? Short answer: yes. The ability to create real value is how you blend form and matter, matter alone (vibe coding open source) becomes valueless Thanks for sharing! https://youtu.be/G-aO5mvm0oo?si=U2kFe8WMcBX3OZx1

That's true, it's very easy now to make something that looks functional on the surface. But in my experience to make a real app, not a prototype, experienced dev work is still required.

> Considering this it might be that rather than "democratizing" the creation of software Vibecoding doesn't democratize anything, it never did. Text editors are free, compilers are free. You can literally just type code and compile it, anyone can do it for free. It doesn't get any more democratic than that. Vibecoders often relies on proprietary models by large corporation. They give away power to the industry. That's not democratic.

So then we will need to vibe code some testing. No longer do we have time to manually test apps

It's like the kids use ai to write their papers. So the teacher uses ai to grade them

how riveting 🍿

does fiatjaf answer and get muted too time will tell have all day love this