no. all lightning payments use TLV onions i point this out to monero fans all the time and they don't get it when lightning payments fail, it's usually because one of the hops in the chain (typically 5-7) is congested or offline... the receivers generate the receipts and they are a set of hidden instructions layered in multiple layers of encryption for how to forward the payment adding the ability to do this with messages is just a matter of adding the mesage to the first layer (last to be decrypted, by the recipient) i'm glad i taught someone something today you can learn this in more detail by reading about how lightning network protocol works. Notably, look into lightning network messages and the sphinx protocol, which is the basis of lightning network payment routing

i was so busy making a thing with what LN does to do payment routing that i had not realised for almost 3 years that most people, even technically skilled/educated folk, don't realise that lightning payments are encrypted in onion layers just like TOR i hope lots of you read that and realise i would love to finish Indra, most of all right now, to have a big pile of sats thrown at me (if only dispensed monthly on a schedule, that's fine) and finish the LN integration and actually get to see this baby running in the wild it's tor, but where you can get paid to run a node it will scale so much faster than tor and work better i just have to thrash out details about how to increase transmission reliability because it has the same problems as lightning payments

I'm well versed in lightning. There was interest early on to use LN as an anonymous message routing protocol a la sphinx chat. It kinda fizzled out, though. I think the expert consensus was that LN is a monetary network and attempts to use it for messaging run counter to it's intended purpose and create negative externalities. If the tor node is bundled with a mint they can dox you if you connect directly to the mint. BOLT12 has very nice privacy properties. What if the mint accepts only BOLT12 peg-ins, no peg-outs, and receives ecash "postage" only via tor? This creates an interesting situation where users need to first use lightning onion routing (bolt12) to buy ecash tokens to gain access to tor onion routing. Kinda convoluted but is it broken somehow?