Yes but without transparency we can't verify, why not have both? Or bitcoin and coinjoin/mixing there are solutions to privacy but money and privacy are two different things and I think the priority is hard money first.

CoinJoin is absolutely disastrous for fungibility. Either everyone uses it, or it’s crap because it creates good and bad coins. My conclusion after all these years is that there’s no interest in privacy in Bitcoin’s development.

There will be no privacy in Bitcoin. Because if it gets implemented, it will be taken off exchanges. So what you need to do is Buy bitcoin on robosats and don't tell anybody you have Bitcoin. Problem solved 😌

So you're playing their game, not yours. Buying Bitcoin on Robosats doesn't make Bitcoin private; it doesn't solve any of the issues I've mentioned because you're operating on Lightning.

Bitcoiners that still call Monero a shitcoin are not true bitcoiners, they refuse to dig a bit deeper regarding Bitcoin issues (or maybe they're just feds). I'm not giving up fully on Bitcoin too, still got a decent bag that I'm using carefully, but ignoring Monero is a mistake for sure.

I completely agree with you.

you need to look into zero knowledge proofs. you can prove no supply was created without knowing the amounts involved.

Are there any known developers/researchers focussed on Bitcoin privacy that I can follow?

And what's you opinion on Monero peeps calling Bitcoin a shitcoin?

Neither of them is a shitcoin. It's a mistake; it's tribalism.

L2 is just paper money without ZK rollups. I've had high hopes for Kaspa.... but that first mover advantage is a real thing.

Actually most maximalists won't criticize monero and give it a pass. As for which coin with prevail, it's not only about their intrisics qualities, but also about how the general context will evolve. The more adversarial the gov, the more monero will grow. The more friendly the gov, the more bitcoin will grow.

If it isn't fungible I wouldn't regard it as money 💁‍♂️

monero is the realization of what satoshi intended for bitcoin. it was always supposed to be anonymous p2p censorship resistant digital cash. it was never supposed to be totally trivially traceable unspent digital gold you only hodl. bitcoin has failed, monero continues the mission.

« Vous devriez également vous demander pourquoi des personnes qui étaient autrefois des maximalistes du Bitcoin l'ont abandonné pour se tourner vers Monero, et les cas de ce genre sont assez nombreux. Et de plus en plus de partisans du Bitcoin acceptent Monero en secret. Tout le monde a oublié une loi fondamentale de la thermodynamique sociale : - Sans vie privée, il n'y a pas de liberté. Je suis un peu naïf et j'ai encore l'espoir que le Bitcoin résoudra ce problème d'une manière ou d'une autre, et comme je ne fais pas partie de ceux qui pensent que le Monero est un substitut au Bitcoin, le Monero est un pari complètement différent en termes de développement et de stratégie, et dans mon cas, je le considère comme complémentaire, pas comme un substitut. Mais dans les dix prochaines années, lorsque de plus en plus de Bitcoiners seront traqués et accusés par l'État, qu'ils soient coupables ou innocents, à travers leur empreinte sur la blockchain, vous vous souviendrez de ces mots. Je pense également que vous devriez développer des solutions sur L2 puisque L1 n'est pas utilisé, et vous concentrer sur ce qui compte : la confidentialité et la décentralisation sur L1. » View quoted note →

at the protocol level, all bitcoin is treated the same, so it’s fungible in that sense. Any “non-fungibility” comes from how people or institutions choose to treat certain coins, not from Bitcoin itself.

No secret here. I think Monero just makes sense, that is until someone cracks it. Save in bitcoin, spend in Monero.

It all changes on 5 May.

yeah yeah i'm starting to open my mind to monero