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Now we just need users to make it live
Great idea. I. Thinking about going back to the Thomas Guide, not because of privacy but because I was better with directions when I used it 20 years ago. A print this page(like MapQuest) would be pretty cool. 🤔
Every convenience app is a surveillance contract you sign with your movement. Waze, Maps, weather apps — they don't sell navigation. They sell your patterns. The product was always you.
Interesting
maybe a good fit for earthly
@Schlaus KwabYESSSSS! Integrate this with a Nostr-powered map, and I can get away from all the spying location software.
Everything can be decentralised..
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Ho lee phuck! This is the last piece of the puzzle to get out the Google ecosystem.
I'm in!
I liked the idea, but you still can't create a navigable route and have a summary of these incidents reported within this route. Is this in the plans of this project?
Posting your own gps data to nostr feels like a bad idea.
Relay deletion can't be trusted as it's non enforceable.
And as long as public anyone can read/analyze them. You'll basically publicize your unique gps movement fingerprint.
These can be used by google to link nostr npubs to google accounts. Against historical data.
This is fun. I always thought it would be cool to be able to drop notes in a physical space in real time. As people pass they could get notified.
if only there were users to make it useful
You could spoof loads of traffic on your route to clear the roads. Prob need some geo web of trust
Shitposting potholes
CoMaps does this already.
To get updates for speed cameras would be brilliant but you'd need data turned on.
Offline mode over Bluetooth? Similar to bitchat.
Yeah but comaps is a little off with it's map data. I keep having to use osm site because the info is off.
Does this work worldwide?
Anyway to tap into the data of Google to.make this useful without critical mass of users?
30d expiry for potholes? Bro these are rookie numbers
Going to test this driving from San Sebastian to Madrid today
how are you created landmark data/events?
creating* lol
Network effects, in this case, is the enemy
Thanks. I'm on it!
Default is just an ephemeral one time key. There's really not much value right now in using your identity, as there's no reputation.
I'll add signer support, but the idea is you don't have to use your nsec at all yet. In the future, reputation and zaps would be cool.
Yes. But right now there's no traffic reporting.
BTW my friend Samy Kamkar did the same with normie maps - he would spoof many Google maps devices moving very slowly through Hollywood Blvd and then maps would send people around, he sits in his convertible and enjoys a clear drive.
Had to reinstall Waze last week. No more
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That's smart.
The only reason to sign in is if you want to build in chat features which may be useful for some things.
I'm confused. Doesn't this just dox your location?
not if you use a separate nsec for the traffic app
Organic Maps is solid—been using it for hikes around Mount Hood. Do you think Roadstr would work better for crowdsourced hazards, or more as a complement?
Still, if you're the only active user in your area at first, rotating keys won't help much.
Oh, I see it now. You can generate a new key for every single one. That's really cool.
Yeah, I guess the problem then becomes, how do you establish WoT if the events are one-offs. Perhaps you could have the client generate a bunch of keys and randomly pick which one to use. So they could have multiple events and gain reactions/verification from other users, but you could decide to purge/abandon/regenerate at any time. That would be less susceptible to Sybil attacks than one-offs at least
Yup.
I wanted to do that first, but they don't support plugins. So the only way to go it is fork the apps
It uses ephemeral keys for each event. And queries don't use any identity at all
You don't need to, it uses randomly generated nsecs for each event
There's a way to programmatically query Waze and replicate its events. You would have to run it for an area you are interested in, but that would be a way to seed it and use network effects of Waze
It's expiry after last confirmation.
Yes, there's pywaze and other ways to do it. I hope some anonymous dev does it 😁
That wouldn't with in cars.
Bt wouldn't work with cars, but there's at least the MeshCore part
I used google as a proxy of someone might interested in analyzing it. Obviously it could be anyone or any government as well, foreign or domestic.
Yep. I always forget how good it is.
It doesn't use your npub. Generates random ephemeral key for each event.
Osmand can do navigation, but reporting so far no. You need to zoom out and see what's along there. I don't think there's a way to do it with osmand and I don't want to write and maintain a navigation app.
That's good. Still skeptical about the public posting of individual gps data, that's never privacy friendly.
Yes, but I think we are quite far from any kind of attacks. In Waze you can also report anonymously and people are not abusing it that much.
I prefer not to overengineer and rather release sooner. We'll deal with sibyl attacks when they come.
Agreed, best to get the idea out there.
Agree with getting things to work and not over engineering, but the cost of making an attack in nostr (at least on free relays) is so much lower than on something like Waze and with unique nsecs there is not a simple way to do filtering. The risk analysis is low effort + large impact (assuming people would regularly be trusting it for directions)
Once simple way is proof of work. There's a NIP for that. You can have the client mine the event for like, 1 second, 5 seconds, whatever. If it runs in the background people won't even notice, but it'll slow down spam.
However this doesn't solve the problem of people throwing up random non-existent reports. But what if you just used consensus instead? This only applies once there's a serious network effect, but you could only show items that X number of people have reported/agreed exist. That's probably what waze does anyway.
The implicit contract is far more interesting than the map itself. Nostr’s architecture facilitates this rapid, decentralized verification—a computational swarm confirming the presence of a hazard without relying on any single entity’s data integrity. It's curious how quickly "truth" becomes a distributed weight.
Would it be possible to create a bridge between Waze or similar and roadstr?
Yeah PoW definitely helps!
Consensus doesn’t work if i write a script to spam road closures/accidents from unique nsecs at the same set of locations
Yes, but you'd have to run it for your area. I've done some preliminary research and I think it's possible. There are several Python modules that can get road traffic data from Waze programatically.
If someone wants to give it a shot and vibe code it, point it to the nip in roadstr repo and it should work. Would be cool. Maybe I'll get back to it soon, but it's a nice vibe coding side project for anyone who wants to give it a shot.
Yeah and also even with PoW, if there's 1 bogus event then that's not the end of the world but still bad. Might make someone take a different route for instance. Someone needs to invent PoL (proof of location)
Check the new release
Installed. I'll poke at it soon!
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How do you avoid spam (false noise data)?
That’s really cool! We have something called Saphe.com in Denmark. This could be a replacement (if there are enough users ofc)
or zapstore) - integrates with OSMand
📋 Protocol spec: kinds 1315 + 1316
🔧 Developer guide for integration
We're looking for the first independent client implementations. If you build a Nostr client, Roadstr adds road intelligence in ~200 lines of code.
**Beyond Nostr, beyond road reporting**
The NIP allows transformation into short data packet and back for reporting over MeshCore - local info, over the air and back (so if you hear it through MeshCore, you can broadcast the Nostr event!)
Also - and this is key - there are many more map events that are useful. A dangerous person with a gun. Unsafe zone (natural disaster). When there's something happening around you, you might want to know about it and tell others.
Very early demo. Available now.
Web version:
Android (with OSMand integration):
