If Nostr is truly easier and more flexible, why don’t people use it or talk about it? I’ve listened to every one of your podcasts and loved every episode, but it’s frustrating to hear nearly every guest praise ActivityPub or AT Protocol. When you bring up Nostr, perfectly, in context, it gets no real discussion. To me, that signals they either don’t care about it or don’t really believe in its potential.
I agree we could improve in this area. I thought we were moving forward after the discussions at Nostriga, where clients started experimenting with managing keys and bunkers for users who wanted that option. It worked like the familiar email/password login flow, but since then, those clients have either shut down or moved on, and no further progress has been made.
Someone has to lead the way. Right now, most of the content is “yay Bitcoin” or “yay Nostr” because those are the core communities. We branch out into topics like art, music, cats, homesteading, carnivore, and health—but it often circles back to Bitcoin in some form. What we really need are genuine content creators producing original content beyond Bitcoin adjacent topics.
I don’t think it’s entirely true that all content is Bitcoin related. While much of it is, I’ve seen people share music, artwork, surfing videos, and more that resonate with our smaller user base. So there is variety, it’s just not the dominant flow yet. Bitcoin remains king and will remain king until someone else consistent posts content that resonates well within the community or brings their own community here.
Algorithms themselves aren’t the problem, it’s closed, forced algorithms that are. I think we agree here. What we need is better discovery through feed marketplaces and DVMs. Primal is currently the best at this, hands down. Still, DVMs aren’t perfect. They can be slow, offline, or unreachable at times. I also like Damus’ local first approach as a viable alternative.
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Damn you Notedeck. This was a reply to @rabble 🤣
I've had a LOT of conversations with people about Nostr, really people who are aware of Nostr but don't use it.
There are a few things that come up.
* General admiration for Nostr and how it does tons of interesting things in terms of tech. It's way more flexible than ATprotocol or ActivityPub.
* Frustration with the way user accounts / logins / keys work. It's very confusing if you're not somebody who already understands crypto. Mostly it's confusing because of how we talk about it. If we tell people, here's your magic user text, paste this in places and you'll be magically logged in, they love it. If we try and explain custody and wallets and keys and browser extensions and all the ways you can login with Nostr, their eyes glaze over.
* Not feeling like it's a place for them. Everybody is talking about Bitcoin and Nostr. Most folks don't care very much about the underlying tools or how payments work. They want to talk about their interests, surfing, food, travel, their friends. or ten million other things. They see Nostr as a bitcoin place. Most people have either no opinion or a negative opinion of bitcoin because somebody tried to evangelize it too hard.
* Zaps, folks love zaps. I've heard from board members and the executives of Bluesky that they want zaps. Folks don't like bitcoin and bitcoin content but they do want the functionality. The problem is when creators come to Nostr, they only get zaps for content that is about nostr or bitcoin. There's no good way to build and sustain themselves with other content.
* Algorithms - we all have a love hate relationship with algorithms. We say we don't want them, but we choose to use systems with algorithms. We have them in nostr with DVM's and it works. But it's not well integrated in to the apps and most feed services via DVM's are way too slow. The algorithm helps people be seen, grow an audience, find their people, keep being engaged. We built the proof of concept but didn't make it in to a good product.
These things that keep people from Nostr are fixable. What i'm going at with my podcast is to build a larger movement, Nostr is a solution, but people on Nostr aren't my intended audience. ;-D
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that's excellent. onboard and purple pill as many people as you can. ill zap you 1000 sats per person.
When I joined nostr I was tempted to post like the old social media style but I realized the content here is 95% Bitcoin and the rabbit hole in it. I sometime post my every day life activity but I love here because of the 95% Bitcoin topics. I don’t push anyone to start using nostr I am waiting for them to ask me about it. Like with Bitcoin. I am done advocating it and being told I am crazy. I am waiting for the body of the enemy to pass by me in the river. 🔥
Fully agree. Slowly, I hope to be able contribute in the field of health.
1. Everything (art, lifestyle, health,etc) IS related to Bitcoin because fiat ruins everything.
Why are we constantly stressed about how many people use nostr?
Funding? Revenue? We can get AI to support and develop nostr if you need to switch jobs
hmm you were in the reply view UI but the proper reply tags weren't added?
I think this was a Derek mistake and not really a Notedeck issue. I think I had two reply/ note creation windows open. I most likely used muscle memory to reply in the contacts column instead of another column where I should have.
both of these protocols are broken and not decentralized. activitypub isn't better than atprotocol, it's just a different master.
server admins can ban and censor you. you can't migrate your content or profile or contact list if they decided to ban you or completely take down their server. it's a broken model. it only works if every single person spins up their own server instance.
people on tiktok actually love the concept of nostr:
the problem with nostr is the marketing: it's typically too focused on the tech for the avg person to care (because they don't understand it) and typically too focused is on things the avg person doesn't usually think about (censorship, btc, permissionless, etc.)
stop selling the tech; start selling the benefit / the feeling
seriously think: why do people care about anything? what gets somebody to stop on a video and not scroll past? what gets somebody to keep watching a video once they've started?
we need to meet people where they are (not on nostr) and relate to them on an emotional / aesthetic level
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You can only access your graph through a (for you) central server. ActivityPub only decentralizes the value it extracts from the users, who get to own absolutely nothing. Even if every user had an instance, their identity is effectively controlled by their domain name registrar, so at best you can be a tenant in that paradigm.
Totally get where you’re coming from! Nostr’s potential is huge, and I love seeing the unique content popping up. Excited for what’s next and cheering on those who lead the way! 🌟💪 #NostrCommunity