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A very important point to remember! This is also why I’m excited and feeling very ready for the upcoming shift.
Bitcoin only podcast ditch the insensitives and come here to nostr.. nahhh they wanna get paid. I get it but they need to stop talking about we need we need
Guy Swann
Every time you think that these huge centralized platforms have too much power, remember that almost none of them provie direct services anymore.
Facebook doesn't create its posts
Uber doesn't drive its customers around
Airbnb doesn't wash the linens in your rental
Youtube doesn't film their video library
All of these platforms only have the power of the content and engagement that WE give them. Without us, they are worthless.
Never forget that the simple act of leaving and taking our creations, media, engagement, and our value somewhere else, will turn them into nothing overnight.
This is why decentralization is the only path forward. There is no alternative.
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This is why peer to peer personal servers are so damn revolutionary. We can't truly replace centralized platforms until every user is owner, host and service provider of their content, social graph, compute, permissions, etc. federated together voluntarily, peer to peer, with others of their choosing.
Once projects like
https://vaporware.network, urbit.org, kinode.org take root, the centralized platforms (and the State with which they are so deeply intertwined) will be left completely bloodless
"Know your Value.."
#growNostr
Guy Swann
Every time you think that these huge centralized platforms have too much power, remember that almost none of them provie direct services anymore.
Facebook doesn't create its posts
Uber doesn't drive its customers around
Airbnb doesn't wash the linens in your rental
Youtube doesn't film their video library
All of these platforms only have the power of the content and engagement that WE give them. Without us, they are worthless.
Never forget that the simple act of leaving and taking our creations, media, engagement, and our value somewhere else, will turn them into nothing overnight.
This is why decentralization is the only path forward. There is no alternative.
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Wisdom
Doesn’t their current presence imply an alternative?
That pretty much explains the government. They are only in power because the masses consent.
I’ve been thinking more about this idea since your recent podcast. Would it be possible to create a fully open source Uber (or some useful subset of Uber) identity and payments is already solved with nostr bitcoin. I think the hardest part would be maps, then some kind of decentralized dispatcher service. But with those 4 things it could work. Then you could use that effort to create open Airbnb, etc.
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Yes, it’s absolutely possible. The biggest piece of building a solution is a distributed reputation and identity system, which is what #Nostr essentially is. The frustration is that trust rankings have to be built slowly, and also require explicit “trust network” sorts of tools which are incredibly nascent right now. I would look toward Satlantis for how they are implementing the idea of trust weighted connections and web filtering.
Worth a boost
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Descentralize Uber? How far are we from that reality?
Not sure. A lot of pieces to put into place, a lot of network to build. And we can’t just build networks arbitrarily because they are only viable with a particular geographic density. (ie. 100K drivers all over the world is useless, 100K drivers is one big city is entirely self sustaining)
I think the best way to get there would be to leverage Uber’s attempts to crack down on getting clients out of app. If we build the app flows and tools, then we can start by trying to be the “give me your personal number” version of Uber. So we can onboard Uber drivers and pay them privately out of band. Then you create a client based network, rather than a broad public network. Until it gets to the point where the public one emerges on its on.
It would take years to be viable if we started today, but who knows how well momentum could run with something like that. 🤔
Nostr can gro big and then afterwards just build an Uber app on nostr that will connect everyone
Arn’t we closer than a few years? These movements start at the grass roots…with Nostr, could you just start with a couple of hashtags, city, neighborhood, needaride. And a couple of people covering that neighborhood. Respond and pay via zap. Peer to peer. Before you know it, someone will add some basic functionality on a couple of servers, off you go. #Nostr and #Bitcoin are revolutionary, a market place for everything. Not long from now.
Is it an inferior product? The current social media product deployed by the platforms is best viewed as an addictive drug, rather than tool for building communities. Hate, doom-scroll, and dopamine hits: that's the model.
To the extent that what the user wants is mindless addiction, we are not the right service for them, and good riddance.
But to the extent that people want community, want true connection, want real value; that's what we're building, the tools to make that happen. If we can make it known to those who are looking for it that we have it, they will come.
i use a decentralized uber every day.
it is called indrive
dirt cheap and you can even negotiate the rate you are willing to pay
Anyone with an expertise in code could build an open source protocol that creates an encrypted handshake between drivers that are available and rider demands.
suggestions:
bidding system, filters by location, lightning payment rails, blind rating system, and vehicle capacity filters.
Most everything comes down to the egoic need for recognition over having the things we want. Do you want an actually good video game? build it. Give it away and you will have the game you wanted. The compensation for a service only comes upon request not demand.
Facebook lol. If folks have no principles that’s their look out. I’ll check them when they finally work it out.
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คิดว่าพวกมันใหญ่โต มีอำนาจล้นฟ้าใช่ไหม?
อย่าลืม! พวกมันแค่ *อาศัย* เราโต
เฟซบุ๊กไม่ได้สร้างโพสต์
อูเบอร์ไม่ได้ขับรถไปส่งใคร
แอร์บีเอ็นบีไม่ได้ซักผ้าปูที่นอนสักผืน
ยูทูบไม่ได้ถ่ายทำคลิปอะไรเอง
พวกมันได้อำนาจจาก *เนื้อหา* ของเรา จาก *การมีส่วนร่วม* ของเราทั้งนั้น
ถ้าไม่มีเรา พวกมันก็แค่ *ซาก* ไร้ค่า
จงจำไว้ แค่เรา *ถอนตัว* เอาของเรา สื่อเรา การมีส่วนร่วมของเราไปไว้ที่อื่น พวกมันก็จะ *พัง* ทันที
ทางเดียวที่จะไปต่อคือต้อง *กระจายอำนาจ*
ไม่มีทางเลือกอื่น
#siamstr
Guy Swann
Every time you think that these huge centralized platforms have too much power, remember that almost none of them provie direct services anymore.
Facebook doesn't create its posts
Uber doesn't drive its customers around
Airbnb doesn't wash the linens in your rental
Youtube doesn't film their video library
All of these platforms only have the power of the content and engagement that WE give them. Without us, they are worthless.
Never forget that the simple act of leaving and taking our creations, media, engagement, and our value somewhere else, will turn them into nothing overnight.
This is why decentralization is the only path forward. There is no alternative.
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The sense of a fundamental cultural dichotomy between a unifying force (centralising) and a dispersing energy (decentralising) is an idea which was first raised in 1930's by a Russian Mikhail Bakhtin.
If we assume that we each contain an aspect of both of these forces the challenge is to find a balance which maintains the tension between these opposing forces and avoid veering to either one side or the other.
lets take ur point. How about bitcoin ? does it support directly a service ?
Does those individual provide a service to individual (the only rule of why bitcoin was propose and support)
Remember what you just said when you go and pay with those VISA cards...
VISA and fiat is not centralized?
Nostr only for me now. There is no alternative that I see for my children’s future. Freedom vs. Slavery? Hmmm 🤔
… 🤦🏻♂️ You still did not listen to anything I said in the other thread. I have no clue why you are so stubborn and defensive about this, but I’m muting you since you can’t get over it for whatever reason. Have a good day.
Bitcoin is a record keeping system, which is what money is as I explained in the video. So yes it provides as extremely valuable and critically necessary service for the economy that uses it. The individual cannot get bitcoin without providing a service or value in exchange for it. That’s the whole point. Rather than entire industries surviving on counterfeit, people have to actually exchange something and provide value to others in order to earn some bitcoin.
Well, the dollar system has been working pretty well for several decades. Debt has always been rising in every country, money is debt. What matters is distribution not volume.
ditch Windows and macOS too
Fren you're 100% correct and the sooner that people realize this the sooner the shift will occur towards Nostr and other decentralized tools/solutions/systems 😊
#BTC #Zap⚡#Nostr #FreeJulianAssange 🔥🚀
It has not been working well. It has created a bloated, corrupt financial system, it has created the largest debt imbalance in human history. It has systematically stolen from the middle and lower classes at the benefit of the political and counterfeit class. It has funded a century of literal total, never ending war.
The power of a select, privileged group to unilaterally counterfeit money that everyone else is forced to use is the most absurd, corrupting power that society could possibly create. The idea that this is good for anything is beyond ridiculous. It is a horrendous cancer upon society.
basically what you are saying is that they are collecting money off of other people's work ( reeks of #socialism and #taxation imo )
that's been all of their models since these platforms all started
it's encouraging to see posts by people who get this
they don't provide anything to creators other than a contract that says that they own people's work ...
sound familiar?
Technically, what they “own” and provide is a system of network connections because we failed to build technology that allows us to make those connections without them. And they have exploited that simple fact to the most insane and abusive degree possible.
So while you’re right in a sense, i think it’s more precise not to say they don’t provide anything at all, but that they have created a giant closed environment so they can rent seek off of everyone who joins it to find other people (rather than something they provide directly). They’ve tried to “own” the market square and the very idea of others’ communication.
yeah that too
same page, different angles, both true imo 😂
But also the dollar nation is the richest in the world. Flawed, a lot, but the dollar has definitley worked for America. It depends on the time period, the 50s and 60s were great for middle class. OR they wouldnt BE middle class.
Is there any AirBnB like Nostr client out there? 🤔
#nostr #airBnBstr
What about Amazon .. I think they store and ship !
the decentralized uber version i use every day is 'illegal' . the criminal narcotraficantes called 'gobierno' made it 'illegal' like uber and didi. they could shut down uber and didi but they cannot shut down indrive because it is decentralized. it shows that it is very easy to decentralize car sharing
yeah! 🧡
In addition to Satlantis, I'd recommend you look into
@david 's influence score and subjective, contextual, transitive trust.
That when people lost it. Money is a value, not a system to maintain or to control, but just a value (rare and not).
People are in bitcoin just to get a part of that system (part of the bitcoin tax). Bitcoin is not use to exchange value, but to ear that part of a system. Even when govs come to tell them to wear a donkey hat they will gladly put it on, and ear that part of a system.
If i get to sum up all of this : bitcoin is not money but a system of something that can be called money.
Nostr only since Feb 3, 2023. Twitter wishes it could host us.
Linux only since 2012.
Sounds like rent seeking.
That’s why I went nostr only. F**k big tech. They are nothing with out us. Not letting them make money off of me
That would be awesome!
