Actually that's why I quit watching child porn. I wish other people had given that same argument you are giving now, it probably would have helped. People should demonstrate the strength to live in their own proclaimed ideal world. If someone wants to proclaim that children shouldn't be abused then it's not enough that they don't personally abuse children. They shouldn't be taken seriously unless they also act to live a life that's independent of the products of child abuse. Even if I don't feel guilty, (again, watching child porn isn't immoral) I am still disappointed in myself for benefitting from images and videos that came from child abuse.
Is the only way you can feel secure in yourself by changing my mind? I didn't think that's why you were arguing with me. I certainly never needed to change your mind to enjoy arguing with you and hearing what you have to say. I still believe you are wrong, I just want to know how you came to your wrong beliefs. I don't see why this can't be both a debate of ideas and about our sense of self.
If I all I cared about was meeting other pedophiles, or meeting someone with my same worldview then I'd find some homogenous pedophile fediverse instance or some "MAP" echo chamber. We both see ourselves as principled and unashamed of our beliefs, but that's exactly why we are willing to talk with eachother, isn't it?
There is a stereotype that Jews are pedophiles, so maybe it wouldn't be surprising if I had a Jewish background. I'm curious though, is there any particular aspect of how I argue that comes off as Jewish to you?
Also, your attempts to justify the fact that victims of child abuse go on to kill themselves or commit more abuse still come off poorly. Sure, whatever, you say I'm blaming the victim for their own choices and I'm using them as a shield for the fact that I think cute things are hot. These choices from rape victims still seem like a reason to rethink some of society's premises, not a reason to say the victims are better off dead. The victims of abuse are the only ones who have the inherent right to do anything about it. A society that doesn't respect them has no defense against abuse.
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Watching child porn is immoral.
You don’t have a mind to change. If you did you’d know that it wouldn’t be about changing your mind but rather changing your identity. You identify as x. To change your mind I would have to prove to you that all of the things stacked on top of your identity is also a lie. That’s not going to happen. That’s also why this can’t be a discussion about “ideas and sense of self” they’re one and the same to you. Not knowing this about your own views means that you lack self awareness so deeply that there is mind to be changed.
I’m willing to continue to call you a disgusting mentally ill person that should be decapitated by their own family in public until you decide to solve that problem one way or another. It’s not really a debate or argument. I’m just insulting you over and over again.
I’ve already attempted to explain how children can’t consent. You won’t agree because then your identity is called into question. The question isn’t whether I think victims would be better off dead. The idea is that I would rather a child be dead than raped. I don’t think that you grasp this concept because you don’t see them as people. Like I don’t think you’re either intelligent enough or mature enough (mentally) to understand any person outside of yourself. There’s plenty of evidence of this from what you’ve been saying.
Society has an obligation to prevent children from being in these situations and you stand directly in opposition to that. In a functioning society you would’ve been swiftly dealt with. The problem isn’t “defense against abuse.” The problem is that the defenses are not being enforced. All people like you belong in institutions or prison or the ground. They used to castrate people like you.
You’ve basically willingly decided to be the biggest and worst piece of shit possible because society doesn’t work right in this particular type of way. And you’ve created a moral loophole and an identity built around that. Like essentially you saw something in society and said “it’s all broken” so as a reward for seeing something very obvious you said to yourself “I’ll give myself a little treat” of being a deranged mentally ill freak. And you applaud yourself for that decision and look down on people who don’t decide to pat you on the back for having lewd preferences and having a bad internal relationship with sex.
Why do you keep on bringing up the impossibility of changing my mind? I see no reason why we can't have have a good argument even if "I have no mind to change" even if neither of us would ever change our minds. Not that I have a problem if you would prefer to insult me though I always appreciate the pursuit of a well reasoned, personal, and cutting insult.
Speaking of which I hear your insult; you are calling me a disgusting mentally ill person that should be decapitated by my own family in public. But you haven't explained what that would accomplish besides my subsiquent inability to talk with you or think about things that you don't like. Ok, I'm dead. Now what?
You make the ridiculous claim that society has many ways to defend against abuse that aren't being enforced other than my suggestion of working with victims. I know there are many jurisdictions where judges just let abusers walk free, but I get the insane impression that this isn't what you are talking about. Can you explain yourself?
The choices of rape victims are a reason to rethink some of society's premises, not a reason to say that it's better that the victims be dead. Why are you so opposed to just talking with them that you would rather they be dead? Have you ever talked with one of these evil rape victims yourself?