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WTF bitcoiners/nostriches doing few months ago there in conference
Wild. It's as though they just have their marching orders and don't care about what is actually true.
Lyudmyla Kozlovska
NORWAY IS GOING TO BAN BITCOIN MINING WITHOUT PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS -
WE NEED TO ACT NOW
Norway's Ministry of Digitalisation and Public Administration responded to @ODFoundation that it "has no plans to conduct a public consultation" on a ban on cryptocurrency mining.
There is no doubt that the ban designed to target #Bitcoin mining. Unfortunately, that's a stance of the @Stortinget and the Norwegian government.
Stortinget
Innstilling fra energi- og miljøkomiteen om representantforslag om konsesjon på datasentre
Innst. 383
S (2023–2024)
🔴 Why we should protect our #freedomtech Bitcoin in #Norway NOW:
(1) Norway is fully integrated in the European Single Market throught the European Economic Area (EEA) and Schengen Agreement. It means Norway can provide its legilsative approach as an input for new legislation for the EU/EEA both:
- during the preparatory phase, when the @EU_Commission is developing proposals;
- during work of expert groups and committees of the European Commission;
- submitting proposals and comments to European Free Trade Association on upcoming legislation.
(2) As a co-founder of the @OECD , Norway sets an example of regulation worldwide and provides its legislative recommedations for global standards.
(3) Norway has historically been a place to meet, share experiences and educate human rights defenders and bitcoiners from around the world.
Norwegian goverment will present its investigation a ban on cryptocurrency mining by the end of 2024.
🔴 What we should do together to prevent Bitcoin mining ban:
(1) Repost this post and join our #BTC Coalition to educate local communities and media about social benefits of Bitcoin mining in Norway and worldwide;
(2) Help us pool resources and best practices to convince Norwegian politicians and media to explore the social benefits of Bitcoin to prevent this repressive regulation;
(3) If you are a Norwegian citizen: write a letter to your legislator and government asking for public consultation and providing arguments about the social benefits of Bitcoin mining for Norway.
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That’s very Un-Viking.
I tried to read it but couldn’t find exactly where it says it’ll ban bitcoin mining? I know they want to but couldn’t find the sentence.
What a fucking looser country 😮💨 unfortunately I live in it.. what is it thqt
@npub15dql...lm5m says => Everyone understand bitcoin when the need to understand it.
These fucking socialists (the politicians) doesnt need to yet...
Let them ban it, it doesn’t hurt bitcoin one bit
No, we need to ban all bitcoin mining to remove the KYC attack vector.
Actually they're doing Bitcoin a favor.
Have a look at the very end of the article:
Stortinget
Innstilling fra energi- og miljøkomiteen om representantforslag om konsesjon på datasentre
Innst. 383
S (2023–2024)
Also check public statements:
🔻According to the Digitalization Minister Karianne Tung: „The purpose is to regulate the industry in such a way that we can close the door on the projects we do not want” .
VG
Slår ned på krypto-datasenter: – Uønsket i Norge
Regjeringen ønsker å stenge døren for kryptovaluta-utvinning i Norge.
🔻Government ministers claim that:
- they want “serious actors” - data centers “to secure storage of images and communication”, for example – „who are important to society, and the society-serving computer industry is important to Norway“;
- they don't know “how many data centers operate cryptocurrency mining in Norway today, but they are going to get an answer to that”;
- they “don’t want cryptocurrency mining companies” since they look at them as „actors who are looking to "shop" for cheap electricity in Norway“ and “(...) businesses seeking to exploit Norway for cheap energy extraction”.
Yahoo Finance
Bitcoin Miners Face Pressure in Norway as New Legislation for Data Centers Implemented
Norway has passed new legislation that will impose stricter regulations on data centers operating within the country.
På denne bakgrunn fremmer flertallet følgende forslag:
«Stortinget ber regjeringen utrede et forbud mot utvinning av kryptovaluta i Norge og komme tilbake til Stortinget senest i forbindelse med fremleggelsen av statsbudsjettet for 2025.»
This has already been attempted in the EU and only narrowly failed. I think in a few years, this will also become a reality in the EU. Bitcoin is a tool of freedom; it doesn't fit in such corrupt states.
It's no coincidence that successful entrepreneurs are leaving Norway.
This is just a proposition from the committee. They ask the government to make a law that bans mining, but it still has to be discussed in our Storting before it actually becomes law.
The discussion in the Storting IS PUBLIC.
I appreciate your concern and engagement, but I find this post a bit speculative. I’m embarrassed of our politicians low bitcoin knowledge, but this is just democracy in practice.
Most people in Norway have similar low knowledge, and they have elected politicians that support their everyday concerns.
I think we should focus on building knowledge in general, arranging bitcoin meetups, spreading the gospel of Satoshi, stay humble and stack sats.
#norgstr
Skjønner, jeg leste «going to ban» men de ber jo kun Stortinget utrede et forbud. Så ikke helt bestemt at se «skal» forby. Men det er jo clown world, ikke vanskelig å trekke slutningen.🌎🤡
Thanks! I understand. Yeah, I just thought they had made the decision that they will ban it, but seems they are just asking parliament to consider a ban? Anyway, it is such a clown world it would not surprise me if Norway banned itself from bitcoin.
Lyudmyla Kozlovska
NORWAY IS GOING TO BAN BITCOIN MINING WITHOUT PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS -
WE NEED TO ACT NOW
Norway's Ministry of Digitalisation and Public Administration responded to @ODFoundation that it "has no plans to conduct a public consultation" on a ban on cryptocurrency mining.
There is no doubt that the ban designed to target #Bitcoin mining. Unfortunately, that's a stance of the @Stortinget and the Norwegian government.
Stortinget
Innstilling fra energi- og miljøkomiteen om representantforslag om konsesjon på datasentre
Innst. 383
S (2023–2024)
🔴 Why we should protect our #freedomtech Bitcoin in #Norway NOW:
(1) Norway is fully integrated in the European Single Market throught the European Economic Area (EEA) and Schengen Agreement. It means Norway can provide its legilsative approach as an input for new legislation for the EU/EEA both:
- during the preparatory phase, when the @EU_Commission is developing proposals;
- during work of expert groups and committees of the European Commission;
- submitting proposals and comments to European Free Trade Association on upcoming legislation.
(2) As a co-founder of the @OECD , Norway sets an example of regulation worldwide and provides its legislative recommedations for global standards.
(3) Norway has historically been a place to meet, share experiences and educate human rights defenders and bitcoiners from around the world.
Norwegian goverment will present its investigation a ban on cryptocurrency mining by the end of 2024.
🔴 What we should do together to prevent Bitcoin mining ban:
(1) Repost this post and join our #BTC Coalition to educate local communities and media about social benefits of Bitcoin mining in Norway and worldwide;
(2) Help us pool resources and best practices to convince Norwegian politicians and media to explore the social benefits of Bitcoin to prevent this repressive regulation;
(3) If you are a Norwegian citizen: write a letter to your legislator and government asking for public consultation and providing arguments about the social benefits of Bitcoin mining for Norway.
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We're 5.5million Norwegians, 600.000 of us have Crypto. And that is a conservative estimate. And it's growing fast. Next year is an election year.
Ingenting avgjort enda, men der er jo flaut at det diskuteres. Heldigvis har vi ett parti som taler dem imot, Venstre. Jeg støtter allikevel det demokratiske prinsippet, politikere får lov å foreslå lover. Det er jo jobben deres, og det norske folk har valgt dem for å gjøre det.
View quoted note →We were asking about public consultations on that issue - it is a part of the regulatory process. We got an answer that they don’t have any plans to conduct such consultations.
My post about that - no public consultation while preparing governmental report on the ban of mining cryptocurrencies.
The fact that parliament will discuss publicly already written negative report of the government, without input of industry and end-users, doesn’t give you much.
I don’t think it the most reasonable answer. Look what bitcoin community is achieving in the US - they defend industry NOW, because they want to see scalability of their #freedomtech now, not in abstract future because of someone’s ignorance.
Picking up your bit-axe is very Viking though
The Parliament committee has asked the government to investigate the feasibility of a crypto currency ban. That is what the ministry has been tasked with. If the government (or Parliament) decides to propose new legislation based on this investigation, a public hearing will be part of the process. That is how legislative processes work. However, what I fear, is that they will try to find ways to implement a ban based on existing legislation, and thereby bypass the thorough legislative process.
Norway has a lot of bitcoiners. Who do you think is the most influential person to talk with the Norwegian government?
Freedom of informations are your friend here. Ask for emails relating to bitcoin mining from the state ministry/department in the FOI and unmask what the true issues really are.
FOIs are very easy to send and often free. Worth ten minutes of your day?
bye bye Norway
It doesn’t work who is the most influential. It works when majority of community will activate local communities and educate them, will contact to legislators and regulators with requests to include their opinions during regulatory process, effectively convincing them to be on bitcoin mining side. It sounds probably abstract, but look at the US - bitcoin community investing there its time, resources and getting results. Why we in the EU/EEA can’t do the same?
This is what we see right now. And we got responses that “no plans to conduct public consultations”. Public hearing with just presenting reports doesn't equal to public consultations, which has to impact on the report presented in that public hearing.
Not everyone has a privilege to leave. I do respect more position of the US based bitcoiners who prefer to join efforts, invest their resources and time to defend industry and win.
Totally agreeing with that point. So we need a group of people who can make the regulator’s understand bitcoin. Do u think Europe as a hole, or single country? I believe Europe is tougher than Norway by itself.
Idk….
That just sounds strange, because industries or others that will be affected by regulations are always consulted. This whole process seems odd.
Sorry I didn’t read all the text. Are you from Norway?
Sköl !
@Rune Østgård who could have predicted this? Presedent for the rest of Europe?
Write a request to your legislators and regulators to prevent this ban. You still can do it, not just complain here.
No, Im from Ukraine.
That is correct. That is why we believe, public consultations should happen before government will introduce its report.
For the moment, we need to concentrate on Norway. ideally to do advocacy for the EU level too - with newly elected members of the parliament and commissioners.
I don’t think there is a need to predict, just enough to follow public discussion: what media wrote, what politicians said and what communities know about bitcoin mining. I remember times two years ago when attitude to bitcoin mining was neutral or far from negative.
But now we need to address the current situation, prevent this dangerous regulatory approach.
Ja det er flaut, helt klart! At de plutselig skal begynne å differensiere på ting. Hvis det går den veien tenker jeg de angrer sårt den dagen «it catches on» og de havner bakpå.
This post is speculative and not accurate.
View quoted note →This post is speculative and I suggest that we Norwegians own the narrative of this.
View quoted note →Very good answer🙂
Follow u now👍🏻
The sad thing here from our politicians is that they mention bitcoin and the energy use is to high. Because they don’t understand bitcoin at all!
Really sad 😔
Sweden already trying to soft ban them with energy pricing hikes/taxes, seems Bitcoin is no longer welcome in Scandinavia
I am a Communist and I do Communist things!
The vikings used to sail to new continents and constantly annoy the English. Today they want to ban Bitcoin mining.
View quoted note →Burning Government House?👀✌
There was a time. It was cool in Scandinavia.
Agreed. 👍🏻
I will have a sit down with a couple politicians from my hometown and talk them through it. It’s easier to reach the ones at the top if you get some of their own to pitch the idea.
My plan is to start with my contacts in Venstre, since they already are against the proposition, and make sure they have the right arguments.
Anyway, building knowledge among the common people are even more important IMO. Hodlers are voters too, and our numbers will hopefully grow to make us an important voter group in Norway like we’ve seen in the US.
Norway has one of the most progressive views on energy and its commercialization in the world. They actively try to export their socialistic approach to energy commercialization to the rest of the world.
It is not surprising that they view bitcoin mining negatively given that bitcoin mining is difficult for any State apparatus to administer and manage.
It will be difficult for them to maintain this position over time but I am bearish on Norway being on the leading edge of jurisdictions embracing bitcoin mining.
We can be bearish, but the main question if we are trying at all change it?
Majority of the comments on my post with conclusions “let them ban it and then we will see”.
I truly believe it is a huge mistake and misunderstanding of the consequences.
Everyone who said in the past - let’s do not care about human rights, how bad regulations affects human rights and just move to other jurisdictions at the end of their experience understood - regimes able to reach them in the every place in the world.
Same here: Norwegian regulatory standards will be used as an example for the EU single market, through OECD globally.
#Bitcoin is the same human right as others, it is people behind the technology, its developers, investors, miners and end-users. Bitcoin is not getting funds from the authoritarian world, simply because it is a threat to dictatorship by default. So why you should allow to restrict it while you have all privileges to impact your regulators and change their approach?
It is a matter of responsibility, investment of your time and resources, just like US bitcoin community is doing, and achieving significant success. Without just being complaining or being ignorant.
Not everywhere will be the first. The cost of convincing is real both in actual cost terms as well as opportunity cost terms.
Texas is huge for bitcoin … tons of waste, curtailed, and spare energy in a favorable political / regulatory regime. I’d expect that Texas’s success will be more convincing for other regimes missing out than the pleas of a small group of passionate citizens.
Regimes will get FOMO…good thing for you is that Norway is sophisticated so they’ll be one of the first regimes to realize what they’re missing.
the main question what has been done at all change it?
Majority of the comments on my post with conclusions “let them ban it and then we will see”.
I truly believe it is a huge mistake and misunderstanding of the consequences.
Everyone who said in the past - let’s do not care about human rights, how bad regulations affects human rights and just move to other jurisdictions at the end of their experience understood - regimes able to reach them in the every place in the world.
Same here: Norwegian regulatory standards will be used as an example for the EU single market, through OECD globally. To prove it more context - Swedish government implemented what Norway is doing right now. So what is the result? Sweden is pushing restrictive regulations against bitcoin mining at the EU level.
#Bitcoin is the same human right as others, it is people behind the technology, its developers, investors, miners and end-users. Bitcoin is not getting funds from the authoritarian world, simply because it is a threat to dictatorship by default. So why you should allow to restrict it while you have all privileges to impact your regulators and change their approach?
It is a matter of responsibility, investment of your time and resources, just like US bitcoin community is doing, and achieving significant success. Without just being complaining or being ignorant.
Texas bitcoiners have a lot of challenges with local and federal policymakers too, but they ADDRESS THEM, they really fight for their rights and GETTING RESULTS.
That is my main point :) you work and show PoW. Or you don’t work and there is no PoW.
Just be sure you’re allocating your capital efficiently! Would love to see Norway be a leader in bitcoin mining. Good luck!
I don’t need to ask emails from ministry - Im in touch with them, no one if hiding its position in the Norwegian government or parliament. They are very clear about how they want to regulate a ban of cryptocurrency mining.
There are problems that 1) no proper response and advocacy, public campaign in defense of #bitcoin;
2) it allows without any obstacles to produce very restrictive regulation to bitcoin mining which will affect people like me, end-users, and others- developers, investors, bitcoin miners since it will be used as a regulatory example.
Don’t mess with Norwegian botcoiners 💪🏻🌽⚡️🌮
Seems like a very good plan! ⚡️🙂
Bitcoiners 😂
It's certainly going to be interesting. If #btc takes off in some countries while others ban it, it won't really work as intended. Ironically #bitcoin requires a global approach to really work.
I wonder if #Gold would be banned, had it not been used before countries existed? I doubt countries would have allowed something so independent of their control.
Please explain
Cutting it’s own throat, so dumb
Then fuck Norway and move to a nice country in the Americas.
