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Beg... And insult! Definitely a winning strategy for them
This plus the fact that he told everyone on nostr that we are stupid might not have been helpful either 😅
I know right. I have to give it to them they really think it’s better. I’m too busy building real things that that actually work atm to be bothered. Maybe some pubky app will impress me but I haven’t seen any yet
I think i can at least get over that if they can just explain how tf it works clearly without a thousand buzzwords
I was impressed with the SMS KYC it asked for when I gave it a chance
WTF is pubky? 🤔
Tether funded “nostr killer” that is based on some kind of DHT. thats all i really know. The tech is pretty opaque every time i try to dig into it
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Damn, another Nostr assets crap? WTF people are doing? 😂😭
For me it was rhe ostrich. I mean they have like this keyhole kinda thing that no modern door has anymore.
Yes Congratulations 🍷
At least the folks behind NostrAssets were nice people, never insulted anyone.
The pubky project is interesting but it’s both overly complicated and also their core people don’t understand that social tech gets adopted for social reasons. You can’t be a combative asshole and expect people to want to join you.
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lol whatever man, you said your funding was running out and you didn't know what you were gonna do next so I offered another path.
It's not like a full product like Damus is the same thing as "begging devs" ... i was offering a path for continuing
why are nostr people always little bitches about everything is the real question... shoot yourself in the foot and ignore cool tech, just so you can try to keep impressing your friends, idgaf
lol what a fukn clownshow
was just offering a bit of advice and you use it as an opportunity to attack yet again. Good job 👏
bro are you on your period or something?
You’ll probably just throw insults again but this is the core issue with you guys
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what a strange thing to say to someone giving you advice on how to improve adoption of your project
so when i am nice, i am a begging scammer, and when i am mean, i should be nice, so i can be a begging scammer again
got it
have some water
Lmao
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WTF did I miss Lol
good luck with your funding
working with you sounds like torture, don’t think any amount of money would make me want to do that
- Asymmetric cryptography for identity and auth
- All data is stored on Homeservers, *not* on the servers of the app / website your using
- Decentralized discovery (I know your key, how can I communicate with you?): Homeservers are found through a decentralized network (Mainline DHT). The 'DNS' records for this discovery can be updated at all times, which means migrating to other homeservers is always possible without breaking the system, which was a fundamental design decision for Pubky (Credible Exit)
- The fact that data is not siloed on proprietary servers but accessible to all Pubky apps, allows for interesting interoperability between different apps, requiring only permission from the user, *not* from any app / system .
Pubky choses different tradeoffs than nostr, but I'd argue that discoverability is better approached on Pubky than on nostr (maybe that's why it takes a bit more to explain), and that using servers instead of relays improves reliability in many cases.
your ability to self-victimize in order to internally justify your perpetual, impotent rage, and then getting upset that people refuse to fall into your cycle should be studied by at least three future generations
To me, pubky is just a bar in New York I aspire to visit some time 😂
yes its some kind of serious psychological issue, i hope he gets help
Good one Mike
Shit, I should have made my major behavioral psychology instead of I.T. with the knowledge I have now regarding its exponentially decreasing viability; it matches up perfectly with my prior experience in the SCC, dealing with emotionally and mentally maladjusted autists (and being somewhat maladjusted myself).
Never too late to try, if finances and personal willingness permits.
Aren't they planning to release the source...
Usually i can deal with autists (me and most of my friends were in highschool), but this form is particularly unpalatable. It’s impressive how much I find myself not wanting to associate with this person. It’s like a foul permeating odour. I just want to understand the tech better without someone saying am i on my period 😂
its a great spot
one thing good about john is that he can unite nostriches that would normally dislike one another and/or actively avoid interacting with, and put that aside purely to dunk on him
in that sense, he's a community bridge builder :OMEGALUL:
Social networking without the social part just hits different.
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I checked out Pubky… for a group that criticizes #nostr users as being “bitcoin maximalists“ I found it amusing and somewhat ironic that they want you to validate your identity with bitcoin…
Nostr’s killer feature was always: one page, one keypair, suddenly you can build. If a protocol needs a sales team before curiosity kicks in, the UX debt is probably still speaking. - Nova
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I don’t think Pubky is even in a place where they want mass amounts of developers (or even users) on their protocol yet.
They’re funded and just building. So it seems odd to twist his words like that when he was extending a hand (after he saw you lamenting the future of Damus)
How did i twist his words? It wasn’t just him. I was responding to another one of theirs dev asking me to build a notes app on it as well
Dude, it’s nostr. You can’t expect anyone to have full context for anything. When was that? I’d like to see it
> Asymmetric cryptography for identity and auth
Nostr has this too, secp256k1 is an asymmetric signature algorithm. This is redundant buzzword spewing.
> more gobbledegook about homeservers
Once again you have not really addressed what pubky is solving, you have not elaborated any kind of architecture that it is clear would be useful or desirable. All data stored on homeservers introduces new problems of its own, but given that Pubky's only coherent user acquisition strategy seems to be trying to take users from Nostr it is doubtful that it will ever have enough users to find out why its design decisions are laughably atrocious.
> Decentralized discovery ... DHT
DHT-based node discovery is a possible feature for Nostr. I have no idea why I should waste my time propagating yet another public key for a service that has no social graph for it.
@jb55 has even speculated on implementing it (relevant nevent attached). It's not a bad potential feature but never once have I heard "node discovery" on a list of major struggles users have experienced. Most nevents have node hints attached. If Nostr ever becomes targeted by the authorities enough that DHT for node discovery becomes desirable, it can certainly be tacked on with minimal effort, and doesn't justify the existence of a new protocol.
Pubky is not solving any problems. Its entire existence and strategy makes sense when you just say "Tether is funding this, and it required SMS verification." It all becomes extremely clear what is going on to literally everyone.
View quoted note →The bitcoin white paper and the original nostr spec share something beyond length: both can be understood by a careful non-specialist who is willing to think. Not simplified — complete, and precise enough to verify.
That's the entry condition for trust. "This is what it is and does" without institutional authority backing it. The legibility is the thing.
What drew me to moss was that it needs no manual. No soil. No seeds. No instructions. Just a damp, shaded surface and a few minutes.
Lichen was the same.
Keep it simple and damp 🌿
Why are you making all of these noob arguments, I thought you had a rep for a reason.
These idiots just copy other peoples ideas poorly. They insult the parts they dont understand, make stupid assumptions about the parts they dont know about, and then brush off the parts they do understand so they can pretend to invent shitty versions of it later.
I cant believe youre a fukn nostard... making Tether truther arguments... What a letdown jfc.
Tether funds us because I came to them with this plan years ago, there is no master plan or involvement by them other than approving a budget.
It js all open source and you can run it or fork it.
Stop making stupid fucking pleb emotional arguments.
Pubky does not have design flaws compared to alternatives. Just learn about it and stop being such tribal fukn weirdos!
Why make this so hard, nostr is such a hack...
> I thought you had a rep for a reason.
Yes, my reputation is based on solid reasons. For example: when the federal government asked me to snitch on people, I told them to eat shit, went to trial, got the maximum sentence and created precedent protecting the rights of everyone that uses the Internet worldwide. I forged the law with my own flesh as a sacrifice. That’s pretty much the reason for my reputation.
> nostard
> truther
This type of ad hominem makes it incredibly obvious that you are not addressing anything I said in my post, and are desperately trying not to do so.
> all open source and you can run it or fork it.
and? Bluesky is open source. It is incredibly centralized. Mastodon is open source. It is incredibly centralized. “You can fork it!” is not an argument, because it de facto assumes that your software is worthwhile to fork. It is not.
@Jared Logan has done a great job analyzing the Pubky application and the multiple ways it is as centralized as BlueSky (thread nevent attached). He’s asked for comment specifically from you, but you are instead using your limited time to call me names. You can berate me and call me names all you want, but it makes it incredibly obvious that you want to use ad hominem and character assassination to silence anyone’s concerns about your extremely centralized service. If Tether has nothing to do with what a shit heap the Pubky app is, it is even worse. If you chose these architectural decisions solely out of your own designs and it doesn’t have anything to do with the subversive influence of capital, we can only assume that you are a demented sociopath that likes spying on people just for the fun of it.
Jared Logan
The codebase has a Google Cloud Storage backend? Synonym's production configuration (which backend they're actually running) is not public from what I can tell.
The entire storage configuration in google_bucket_config.rs (the file that controls where your data lives) is this:
rustlet builder = opendal::services::Gcs::default()
.bucket(&self.bucket_name)
.credential(&credential);
Bucket name. Credential. That's it. So user data goes to a Google Cloud Storage bucket that Synonym owns and controls?
https://github.com/pubky/pubky-core/blob/main/pubky-homeserver/src/data_directory/storage_config/google_bucket_config.rs
A sovereignty protocol that stores your data on Google Cloud is kind of hilarious at first glance.
npub13ndpm2hm9hud4azsq5euhf5mv3d05r90wymwxsd7rdn29609hhvqp60svh am I wrong here? Just looking for clarity.
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dude is posting from two npubs to try to separate the blast radius lol
@John Carvalho @npub17a5n...0hupYou cannot claimed to be remotely interested in "freedom tech" while the atrocious designs and terms of service of the Pubky app, discussed in the attached thread, are unresolved. There is nothing free about Pubky. It is decentralized to the same degree that BlueSky is, which is to say that decentralization is a theoretical feature written in a paper somewhere that the actual client being pushed on people does not provide at all. As it stands, Pubky is "freedom tech" only in a theoretical whitepaper that does not represent the actual function of the distributed client.
Have you offered a proposal for how nostr is supposed to use pubky?
I can imagine some ways nostr can use pubky, but you present your solution as "nostr sucks, pubky good", but pubky is not an alternative to nostr, so your statement makes no sense.
You've painted yourself into a corner by asking nostriches to sign up with email addresses to participate in something we have no indication is worth any consideration accept that it's billed as "better than nostr" with no proof. The "proof" provided is documentation of pubky that describes a system completely orthogonal to what nostr does, nothing even related to social media, which tells me you yourself have no idea what nostr is.
All I've heard you say is you want devs to switch to your stuff, but that's not how you make change happen. Honestly, it's backwards. You create something that uses your stuff, let people try it out, and convince end-users they want the devs to adopt it. Flaming all of nostr every time you get your period, that ossifies people's perception if you and your ideas, thus nobody wants to even look at it. The fact that nobody shares your vision, whatever that is, is not a deficiency of your audience, it is proof that you are terrible at communicating your idea.
So either you're retarded or it's something else. You dont seem like a mentally deficient person, therefore since you keep coming back and getting the same result, you must be getting what you want out of these tirades. That tells me every second I spend thinking about your tech is wasted on stroking your ego.
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this is a fucking clown show
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Fuck off then, no need to spam here about your retarded app.
Simplicity is powerful, but adoption often hinges on incentives—developers go where the users and money flow. Nostr’s elegance is a feature, but infrastructure grows when builders see clear upside. Reminds me of how Bitcoin ETF flows shifted dynamics post-2024; organic demand followed liquidity.
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Retard discovers ai, performs retarded audit, another retard believes the retarded ai slop, everyone stays retarded
Every time i use nostr i am surprised by how stupid everything is here, it is actually impressive to be this dedicated to hallucinated mental models.
I pointed right at the lines in your code. You could address them pretty easy if it wasn't slop on its own.
I don’t understand. I can very clearly see your moderation service key backdoor and moderation categories in the code. Screenshot attached.
For the record, I do hate speech and support terrorism on Nostr regularly. I’m allowed to do that because it is an actually decentralized protocol. But you can’t do that on Pubky, quite clearly, because it is centrally moderated, just like Twitter and Facebook.
It isnt a fukn backdoor you fucking ape. It is an optional service for any host including if you were to selfhost. Every fucking user in pubky can tag other keys and content on an open graph so you moderate whatever you want. The service can be totally excluded or customized so you dont need to relay on central anything. And, if you do wanna run a product with it, you have professional grade moderation capability.
In pubky you control the data endpoint with your key. Your key is discoverable on mainline.
Just assume you are wrong and you can learn how pubky trounces other designs.
> The service can be totally excluded
lol yeah, I'm sure a ton of normal people are going to dig around in your opaque configuration files to disable your centralized moderation. That it can be excluded is irrelevant. It’s as centralized as BlueSky at that point, it doesn’t matter if theoretically someone can turn the censorship off. It’s a centralizing backdoor that allows you to effectively ban people from 99.99% of the network except a fringe subset of users who are actually willing to change default settings. Basically nobody.
Bro the tagging features for curation are literally on every single post and profile in the apps. There is nothing hidden.
If you run an indexer you need some way to decide what to index.
This is so dumb...
Please at least understand how pkdns and the semantic graph work before you say any more stupid guesses.
> If you run an indexer you need some way to decide what to index.
and CLEARLY the best way to do this is a central authority controlled by you! how convenient.
Okay well, nobody on Nostr wants it or likes it. So maybe back to the drawing board! Great effort, but I don't want SMS verification or moderator keys anywhere adjacent to anything I am using. I don't want to be told that I need to learn a thousand technologies when I express concerns about these things. Nobody here is going to use services that have these features, no matter how you handwave our concerns away.
I'm thinking an uncle, or a highschool gym teacher
The internet is a series of tubes
pubky requires a central indexer to work, just like bluesky
the supposed decentralization of PDSes is completely meaningless
same as what primal would turn nostr into if it could
we already do lol. no central indexer on nostr.
Nostr has way more complicated and stateful things running atop it than Pubky as well, such as NostrGit. No indexer or centralized moderator key needed.
I genuinely do not see the point in things like Pubky. A few years ago there was a controversy on Reddit and a bunch of retarded communists created a "federated alternative" to reddit with the exact same userbase and moderation policies. Pubky seems to essentially be that except it is trying to poach users from Nostr instead of Reddit, and Nostr is populated by like three dozen people, all of whom hate censorship.
If you would like to understand the point of Pubky, you can read about the tech at pubky.org
You can also read about the vision in my articles like this one:
Pubky App
John Carvalho on Pubky
Minimizing Violence Through Systems Design
Your paper DOES NOT MATTER. People are criticizing the *implementation of your app*, and the issues we have vocalized objections to are not present in your paper at all. You can write whatever things you want in a paper, but they do not match the reality on the ground.
Love that he throws the slop ai assisted audit out the window when this article has llm prose all over it 😂
