"on-chain zaps" are a bad idea and have the potential to be actively harmful when implemented naively
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Wise words 👏
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there is a way to do this "properly" but just deriving an address from an nsec is not it. Some prior work:
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I feel like should be the user who says which ways wanna accept any form of tip or whatever we want to call it. That on top of the address reuse and privacy complains we may have.
You were LITERALLY supporting the re-use of same BTC address when you boost this note:
Latest amethyst also has support for payment targets you can put any payment option there
you can ask for a private address on x corp
What feature will bring in the next 5 million users?
not this one lol
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To make an educated decision you need to be educated in the first place. Most users are uneducated when it comes to the nuances of on-chain privacy. It's a difficult topic, and the software we build shouldn't make it easier for users to damage themselves, but harder.
Go fuck yourself
nothing wrong with a little self-love from time to time
That won't help those who'll get rekt by this "feature"
I just want to know how it works in the reality. Is it literally a public xpub??
The Bitcoin community has been living in a clownworld circlejerk for too long. Open to improvements, but so far this is a million times better than Lightning.
I won't challenge you on the first part, but saying that address reuse onchain zaps are "a million times better than Lightning" is a wild thing to say. It's also wrong.
My 2yr old says "go bye bye"
Let's assume that "zap" means "public". i.e. If A zaps B, then everyone can see that A zapped B
In that context, it doesn't matter if the on-chain address is re-used. If each payment has a different address, then everyone can still see the public zap events, and everyone can see all the addresses and the balance
Therefore, I don't think anybody actually has a problem with address re-use *in the context of on-chain zaps*. The real question is whether people like public on-chain payments
That's true. Right now, I can't even think of a reliable and easy-to-understand source of information to help me learn the basics.
While I think that you're right, you also start to sound like the government. 😂
Maybe it the high friction to getting and staying private that’s been and being sponsored.
Yeah I respect the "look what I can do!" Aspect of it, but Zaps are the innovation here.
People who spend too much time on Nostr, like any other disruptive tech, start thinking of it as "broken" because the masses haven't broken down their door yet. Then they break it themselves.
You forgot the part where nobody knows where B spends the zapped sats from A through lightning.
it is even hard to understand for a seasoned bitcoiner with technological background. there are so many ways to screw yourself over, even i am slowly giving up lol. bitcoin is slowly but surely being throttled at the neck by the establishment. it became so hard to move bitcoin around privately with all the kyc bs.
and i am definitely not the average user. i know how to turn on a computer, for one.
they dont need to ban bitcoin. all they need to do is throttle it. and they have been quite successful at that. its almost a lame duck.
highly productive circle jerk
Zaps are already public. It’s probably fine to use the public on-chain zaps as a zap wallet to zap other users.
These look interesting, but I since it sounds like silent payments use taproot I wonder if it would be possible to derive a SP address from any pubkey?
Any?
Wrong and fedpost
Not the government, just a grumpy old man yelling at Claude (who is partly responsible for this mess).
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I climbed Mt. Stupid with some other nerds and lived to tell the tale.
I read it and I still agree with you 100%. I have a lot of crap to add but right now I wonder why dafuq should I be in a place that I wouldn't recommend to my family. Anyway, I hope that Nostr didn't turn into a beautiful beach full of used syringe needles.