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getwired.app fixes this
It's not about the the technology. Weed is censorship resistant. That doesn't mean I wasn't extorted for $800 and 8 hours in a cage when it was considered "banned"
Arbitrarily punishing people for posting is wild.
The only way is your true anonymous char.
But here people can remain anon
We are living a silence dictatorship here 🇧🇷
CORRECT.
NO PERMISSION REQUIRED.
If a public Brazilian uses Nostr, they’ll be fined?
Call me what you like, but as a grown ass man, I don’t anyone telling me what I can or can’t say. Particularly if I’m not saying anything offensive, aggressive or divisive manner. I realise those things are subjective but you get the jist.
LIVE FREE. 🫡
NOT YET BUT PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE.
I mean….we’re born free right?! Is it too much too ask 🤔. Everything else is enforced on us by external forces.
ISP's r a 3rd party problem imo bringon the mixers/lfg!
Human Action does.
Speaking to the air myself, not sure what to think of all this yet. True anonymity does fix part of this; it’s hard to punish a plethora of individuals who have no faces in an open and decentralized system.
But a completely anonymous social interaction misses the mark of being social entirely.
There’s definitely a place for both.
View quoted note →it fixes, nokyc requirement, optional pseudonimity fixes this
YES.
Well it kinda does so long as you have your nostr identity as a pseudonym with no personal info, same thing as with bitcoin
No, it doesn't. Not if you are a known person and want to speak publicly. That's his point you can't hop on nostr with another identity and have the same (or any) reach. It will silence a lot of people.
are we saying that in order to avoid this predicament, nostr users must pseudonomise our name to exercise censorship resistance? if we need to hide our name then this is not censorship resistant. the idea is to freely express your opinion without being censored or banned. this is not what I understood on @fiatjaf's website. am I missing something or misunderstanding the note? #asknostr 🤔
NOSTR GIVES YOU MANY OPTIONS ON HOW YOU CHOOSE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF.
NO PERMISSION REQUIRED.
For sure! But it buys time. Those large accounts can still communicate on Nostr until the government explicitly bans it.
I think censorship is about allowing or disallowing to post certain things.
But the consequences of posting something is not part of censorship.
So in my opinion, censorship resistance won't and does not suppose to save you from consequences.
Maybe I am wrong.
Clicked the link and already had it bookmarked from awhile ago 🔥
100%. But did they also ban NOSTR1, NOSTR2, NOSTR3, NOSTR4 etc. Open source is real and the key difference when whacking moles
Nostr can't stop states from coming after individuals, but it does force the state to come after individuals instead of centralized platforms. This is significant because it's much harder for them to fight each individual user vs a few centralized companies. This is the power of decentralization.
But on nostr, the government will not be threatening a CEO. They will be talking to a wall.
$8,900 for anyone who runs a relay 🤣
You're right, nothing fixes that so long as a culture allows for it. But if someone has something to say that is worth the risk of punishment, it will be nearly impossible to stop & that's what matters.
That's the point. The first people to be persecuted by this judge in Brazil were conservative journalists with large followings.
Vocal and well-articulated people are needed to present arguments in public debates, but they need to do so in a way that they are recognized and this makes them an easy target for the persecution system.
Brazil has a lot of internal work to do. What we are going through now is a consequence of decisions and cultural buildup over the last 10 years. Bitcoin and freedom tech should have a much larger reach at this point, but the early communities of builders screwed everything up with their first-mover, inner-circle, and male supremacy fetishes. We need to flash mob to bring women into open-source development. This is a cyberwar. Their dreams of gaining from early-acquired Bitcoin are futile compared to the size of the challenge we have ahead of us. Women-led projects in Bitcoin development, like Scalar School —
@npub1v799...qrup — are more important than ever. We need more of these efforts and greater moral support from the broader community to help us address our social problems in this field.
This always happens, Elon knows it and doesn’t worry. X continues to be the largest public square where the debate continues to be given for the common users. Threatening to block a social network only makes its users activate other services to bypass that restriction and continue using their favorite network.
Nostr should not expect the common user mass to seek to use the protocol for those restrictions, because it will not happen. FOR NOW.
Be who you are. Some are activists online. Some IRL. It’s all individual choice. And it’s beautiful 🤩
Like me: I’m my own hellthread 🤪🤣🥰
defo speaking what I believe! 🤓
YASSSS 🫡
Nostr rocks for all the birds 🦅 and the bees 🐝
Most of us are respectful of others & can speak 🗣️ without fear of judgement.
The ones who can’t will learn. 😂😘👏
Can nostr nodes be blocked?
so true. 💯 spot on 👏
the important thing is that our voice may still be heard. when they need us, we will be here.
If we had precedent that protocols couldn’t be legally banned under constitutional law it might be helpful in creating an impossible whack-a-mole situation for the gov
IMO, the propogation of ideas is much more important than the individuals spreading them. That's what #Nostr is built for.
Onward 🫡
Amen
But there is no propagation of ideas without new individuals spreading them
And politicians won’t understand it. The beauty of it.
They can post on nostr under the same name and as long as Brazil can’t prove it’s actually them Nostr should fix that.
Famous Brazil account nyms should pop up and start posting.
Tricky. I don’t see how you would fix it. You would need anonymous posting, problem would be distribution as followers are per identity. You would need other types of distribution with similar reach for anonymous accounts (e.g. hashtags on steroids)
I drank too much coffee today
Well that might result in the person’s arrest anyway. I doubt the regime is going to lose too much sleep accidentally prosecuting people
They can change their username in nostr and start building a new community. They can't even use Twitter so it is best to start a new one with a new name.
Voice of reason while remaining a rational optimist.
Some things remain broken and that's ok.
Nostr does fix this in a way... by offering anonymity. Assuming you take advantage of it.
But yeah, if you broadcast your name and image, good luck!
View quoted note →It's not about getting banned or censored on nostr but be persecuted by the government
But this does not work at a large scale. At some point it breaks power of the gov if too many innocent are arrested.
The problem "male supremacy" 🤡
It is an argument that is very counter market theories. When something rises in price usually the demand lowers. When the price rises the demand goes higher.
Here may the price is rather in availability. So there is defnitly a good market to #grownostr in #brazil
I don't ultimately want to live in a world where we all have to hide like roaches from authoritarians. I think the only path forward is to stand together and crush the minority that wants to enslave us. They should be the ones running when the fucking lights come on. Evil should live in the shadows. The rest of us belong in the light.
I don't know how to solve the problem in Brazil, but I don't think hiding is going to be sustainable in the long term. I think doing so will only further embolden the rats. Unfortunately, some people will be punished. That's the price of freedom sometimes. No technology is going to save us from having to fight for freedom and suffer the consequences for doing so.
I post here under my real name and photo (usually my image) because I've decided that I'd rather die free than live in the shadows. Does everyone have the privileges I have in the US? Absolutely not. My way isn't for everyone everywhere, but I don't think hiding is ever going to be a real solution anywhere. The chances are pretty good that most people around you feel more or less the same way. We are being dictated to by a minority. Fuck 'em.
View quoted note →who it not fix it? to what i know nostr dont have a ceo to be threatened or a main local server that can be shutdown...
the good things will perk up/natural law
Yes, but also for some of those people most the problems are also kind of solved already, in a way of course. The plebs (myself included) are the ones that will really benefit the most from Nostr in the end.
Finding people, networking, connecting more opportunities, bridges, new ways of collaborating, etc...
Nostr is a great investment. It's the clearly the best long term investment in my view.
I mean, it's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram AND Reddit altogether with a very well thought out uncensorable & decentralized technical architecture and economical incentives. There's no reason how it won't be the future of the internet. It will be very hard for it to fail, in my view. Very hard, really.
And also Nostr will join liberty-minded people like never before. Liberty-minded people are fewer but they build more solid things for everyone.
Nostr won't solve the problem of human nature and current society's problem but it will for sure provide more opportunities for that to happen, in given time.
I guess that is the end of the first amendment or freedom of speech then. if you cannot express yourself without being presecuted then that's the demise of your freedom of expression.
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The theory of markets always depends on a “something” that moves supply and demand. That something is the product or service. In this case the product is X and the user market prefers it (demand) above supply (#Nostr or others)
Expecting many users to use nostr because a restriction happens on their favorite social network as X is far from being an efficient reality for the protocol to grow.
Yeah we don't have the first amendment we have the article 5 of the constitution that doesn't allow even people being anonymous.
Elon is saying the Supreme Court is violating the law that yeah can be true.
wow, to see it side by side is really an insight. Are you ok for me to share the photo and repost it?
I do not see whay it would not. The mechanisms of the protocol do not depend on good intentions of the users.
I hope you get cured from feminism 🤦🏻♂️
you are the "social problem", missy.
People still feel confident interacting in X and will look for a way to stay
You are speaking in very generic language. As every person would behave the same and go for the rebellion. But many people react different on the same change. Some try to connect through VPN. Other search for new ways to have interaction. And others may stop using social media.
Now that I entered your key that I saw. You are a member of the Brazilian organized hate group against women and against feminism in Bitcoin. I knew you were coming to ruin Nostr as well. Freedom was nice while it lasted.
Now that I entered your key that I saw. You are a member of the organized hate group against women and against feminism in Bitcoin. I knew you were coming to ruin Nostr as well. Freedom was nice while it lasted.
you have never been free.
think about it.
Let’s hope that the vast majority of people decide to resist the blockade and stay in X. Fleeing is not an option to face authoritarianism.
Lol, if they don't know your CURRENT location you are hidden, most of you simply make it easy because you have a fixed address & hang around where they have surveillance & keep a tracker in your pocket.
Umm ok. People are still alive who lived through two governments each killing 3x the populations of Australia
Some things need to break a little more before they can be fixed. Hard to believe but we need more suffering for people to realize how they really want to coexist.
I am thankful for the martyrs of the past, and those of the present time. If more people adopt freedom, less martyrs will have to die for freedom
If you are a know person no software fix that. only guns.
Very true
they want to smash consensus
I deeply believe that everything we do is irrevocably etched into space-time. You own every good thing you did. No one can take that away from you. Ever.
Nevertheless, I honor these heroes, sung and unsung, in the hope that we will need fewer of them, assuming that we will always need them.
That’s why verified KYC social media accounts are a bad idea. The purpose of a Digital ID is to make it easier to jail you for wrongthink.
sure, but then anyone can just spin up a popular name and have them arrested. This is why it doesnt work.
Onward 🫡💜
Would think it would depend on how tyrannical the government is. Some really extreme ones could even spin up accounts of well known dissidents just to have something to arrest them for
they really don't need nostr to plant evidence. I think the best defense is 1,000 nyms all by the popular names all pretending to be them. Make a farce of the attempt at censorship. Whack-a-mole theory.
Nostr fixes other things that make this problem smaller.
I still don’t agree. If someone has been posting under their real name on Nostr and has tens of thousands of followers, them turning around and saying to the authorities ‘oh that isn’t actually me posting’ isn’t going to convince anyone, let alone a regime that wants to convict them
🤯🤯. It does if they note on #Nostr and migrate their followers from Xitter🤔.
They can only censor. What you let them know.
