Yes agreed the whole idea behind that is Wos is much much more user friendly then the self custody wallets you suggested those wallets aren’t for the non tech savvy peeps… The whole idea of channels nodes can be off putting.. The goal here is to on board peeps to Bitcoin start small eventually the rabbit hole will take over… well that’s my 2 Sats anyway

If you are recommending Muun, you are part of the problem. For self custody, Breez and Phoenix are fine

How are they going to pay for opening a channel or even know that it means? And why do you think that phoenix or breez can't rugpull you. It's not like you're actually running your own node

How do you get a person who doesn’t even know what a satoshi is to run a node? With your own node, how do you self custody?

Without

How do you self custody without your own node? 🤔

While I fully agree in theory, and personally choose those over WoS as much as possible, I have found the following from experience: (Tl;dr If you have time, definitely go with a self-custodial option! If not (onboarding a busy server for eg), better use WoS than nothing and strongly let them know to study self-custody (and send them a link to my book at

The Simplest Bitcoin Book Ever Written – to orange pill anyone!

;) Notes: - WoS works almost flawlessly, while the others have different issues crop up pretty regularly (eg: slow, pmt won’t go thru etc) - Muun doesn’t have/accept LNURLs, non-standard back-up - Phoenix and Blixt require an initial fee to open a channel, which while makes total sense, is not easy to explain/activate when one has just a couple mins to onboard an Uber driver or a busy waitress for example. - Self-custody *requires* having a discussion about seed back-up/storage/security, which again takes time.

The very reason for suggesting WoS is novelty. With a static receive qr code, you can use the power of social media to send packets of dopamine and with ln addresses, they can see something familiar. We don't have these very useful features (or similar alternatives) yet on custodial wallets. When Zeus brings out their solution, that may change things.

Phoenix all the way!

You are running your own node

Disagree

Nope. I don't even know where that node is located

Muun is a joke man. Don't recommend muun.

Sure. What's a self custodial Lightning wallet with Lightning address support that's easy for a brand new person to the Bitcoin space to use? 👀

This 👆

Muun is dog shit.

WoS is great for noobs.. they have sats inside 30 seconds, enough for the hook to be placed. Their journey then starts to self custody over time as they learn more.

Naming wallets that can't receive zaps on nostr went over like a fart in church, as expected.

What about GetAlby ??? #getalby

Try onboarding a noob to Phoenix and tell us how that goes lol

Exactly

For users joining #nostr they need a Lightning address to receive zaps. This is currently only possible with either a custodial wallet or a complicated process that involves running your own node and a webserver. We encourage new users to learn about different wallet types. Since Lightning is nearly free to use, sats can be sent from WoS to a better long-term self-custody solution. We recommend Phoenix and Breez over Muun based on how they function. The Lightning ecosystem wasn’t prepared for the sudden surge in usage and developers are playing catch-up. We’re keeping a close eye on new products such as #[0] and others that are building new tools for self-custodial Lightning. Thanks for all you do, #[1] 🧡

Exactly!