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I like that I like that a lot and this message needs to get spread further
First time they burned the bridge with end users/plebs when they didn't fix the inscription bug. In fact, they changed the documentation to RATIONALIZE inscription bug
Second time they burned the bridge with plebs when they increased the op_return limit by almost 1200 times.
Plebs have had enough of this BS. Either these clowns have to go or shitcoin core needs to die. There is nothing in between.
And if you would had this conversation with these clowns way before, plebs like myself wouldn't have to increase temperature.
I just can't see these clowns turning bitcoin into ethereum anymore.
Another parallel with the COVID era. Now that the damage is done "let's all be friends". Sorry I'll never forget what Antoine, Lopp and friends did to hand bitcoin over to scammers, not to mention the massive amounts of contempt and condescension. I heard the message loud and clear, pleb node runners don't matter. No amount of "go touch grass" is going to make me forget.
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Sounds like he's lying to you. Bitcoin is currently on fire and that fact won't change until Core30 is recalled, and Core 30.1 adds the spam filters back.
Except they're still acting tyrannical, just want you to "just be friends" without them stopping
No. Enough compromises with terrorists.
We don't actually need to negotiate with Antoine though. We can just dump core and run knots. Exit > Voice
You'll also have a more pleasant experience on social media by muting / blocking that Oblivion idiot.
OK, thatβs what humans have to do all the time is make compromises people just canβt run around killing each other. See we have to talk and we have to have human conversations. Itβs that simple. Itβs not us against them. We all need Bitcoin. See what Iβm saying.?
They have some problems with communication some of their proposals are very relevant but plebs is not properly informed. That problem works both ways.
Who said anything about killing each other? Compromises that pilled over the years led to the shitshow weβre in now. If you believe otherwise, youβre just a poor student of Bitcoin history.
He is a volunteer and will do whatever he wants with his time.
If ppl are serious about op_return limit, needs to be set at consensus level.
And yes, core is a cluster that needs to be improved.
Many things can be at the same time
Listening to users has always obviously been a critical part of core's mission. The fact that they weren't doing it means they are bad stewards of the project, at best. Frankly, the fact that they stopped listening just long enough to sneak this in, and then express interest in listening, makes me suspect it's malicious.
Whether he is a volunteer or an employee is irrelevant tho
Or hear me out, we can just leave it as it was. Crazy I know
No. Filters work.
They're not interested in listening. They're interested in better gaslighting.
You're missing the point. Finding some halfway house solution with core is not necessary, because we just stopped using core instead. We only run their software voluntarily, they don't have any actual power. If nobody installs new core versions they will be basically irrelevant.
Current core team is over. Brand is FUBAR. Trust was with people and people betrayed and squandered the trust. Demonstrated disastrous moderation practices, engaged in disingenuous coresplaining.
A "bridge" might've been a redemption arc if core 30 wasn't released, but now damage is done, and now they think about it? Sorry, no. It's been 2+ years.
This is all #core-post-mortem material.
New core cadre should probably:
- EOL v30
- Release v31 with:
a) Back out op_return damage
b) Fix datacarrying
c) revert relay fee drop
d) Revert readme damage "What is Bitcoin"
Also:
- never bundle security releases with features or changes to policy
- don't merge controversial PRs, regardless or perceived merit
- revert transifex damage
- consider unbanning knots from security disclosure
- do security maintenance for more versions. I'm down with lower priority for features if we can get more versions covered in a non-coercive way (ie. be honest about "you can just not upgrade")
There's probably more, but it's what I have.
That's a great start! Thank you
Fat Zap! Thank you!
Im so fucking done with Core. Knots is the implentation now.
Yes it's becoming scam
Depends on the definition of *work*, it is degrees of effectiveness, right?
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Consensus level changes likely *work* better
Core smells disgusting. Run knots that's it
OK, obviously I am not being literal when I use the word killing what I mean is this has become an us against them issue and yes, I am very well aware of Bitcoin history. Iβm not a fool. You seem very angry though.
He is paid to work there
Just put the filters back in 30.1
I feel the genuine good intent from you man, but so we are to trust you that itβs all good and bridges are being built cause you talked private with Antoine?
We donβt need words, we need concrete actions
We need a fork or soft fork.
"hopefully we can all do better." Lolz. A team of hubristic programmers launched an all out attack on Bitcoin in the face of open resistance, and essentially told everyone, "You don't know what you're talking about."
Core needs to get on their knees and repent.
You said bitcoin only works if non technical people run nodes. I'm not so sure. If the majority of technical people involved support a consensus rule change that automatically and only becomes active as signalled by miners then why woulnt it work? BIP-9