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God I hope we don't lose good people over this silliness.
No work is better than harmful work.
If someone thinks a developer is harming a project they can and should voice their opinion.
There are many folks in the space that have a gap or two in their communication skills and that's often the root cause of the conflicts in my opinion.
If someone is in such situation (on either side), pls chat with Rusty or I'm also happy to jump on a call and talk through it, maybe give some tips and tricks.
I have been helping resolve conflicts between engineering teams for the last 12 years.
I'm curious about how life as a full-time FOSS dev works.
Less bitcoin development is preferable to what core gives us 🤷🏻♂️
you have no idea what you're talking about
wake up, code, sleep, repeat
I’ve been running bitcoin infrastructure and using bitcoin as money since 2013, you’re a shitcoiner. Go play somewhere else
that's what I thought, you have no idea of development. so how am I a shitcoiner?
I’ve been doing that in my free time, unpaid, while you have been publicly begging for donations for your shitcoin development
liar confirmed
That yesterday , today put “ cleaning “ on the list .
😁
Bingo
What good people?
Rusty can give inside perspective, and outside perspective is good too. There are war tactics being used against the Core Developers of Bitcoin, and the stakes are greater now than ever. Keep in mind the importance, and someday the thankless will be thankful.
I hugely appreciate what these developers have brought into the world without me paying them in any way. I'm impressed, inspired and humbled by their efforts.
Like most noise on the internet, I am delighted to ignore your claimed opinion.
Can’t wait to start validating kiddie porn out from my 3 nodes. Thanks guys! /s
I suggest all developers that work on bitcoin for NGU reasons (or worse) should resign. I'll shoulder nothing for that one.
Bingo
What's your point? You sound like a fan of Bitcoin Cash
Now is your chance to stop random insults and conspiracies, and have an intelligent conversation. Are you willing to take part?
I'm not an expert, but I think take part in a sane conversation
What's the "shitcoin" that you are referring to?
Define shitcoin and we can go on
You started it. You can't call someone a shitcoiner without clarifying which shitcoin you are referring to
Are you saying that BTC is a shitcoin?
So you attacked me for something you don't understand. Seems like you entered here in bad faith.
I know you think you're smart, playing these word games
But you can't seriously expect to win followers to your cause by making a series a random vague insults
If you want to win, you need to consider an audience of people who are technically expert but who aren't doomscrolling Twitter all day
I’m not here to get followers. Make those points to the abusive
@calleDon't forget the malware! Im sure it won't trigger any antivirus software...
I have supported bitcoin infrastructure longer than current devs are devs without you paying me in any way. I’m disgusted by their misguided efforts. If you want to ignore somebody, don’t reply to them 🤦🏻♂️
Bitcoin Core needs a time out.
The developers may be technically brilliant, but they have lost ground with the broader community and the many people who have entrusted their life savings to Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is money. Spam has no place on the timechain.
Bitcoin Core must change course
They don't need to resign since knots exists.
wasn’t there a similar drama with internet ppl trying to get someone at ethereum foundation to resign?
Right, they don't need to resign because they're fired.
Always easier to whine than give of your own time and money
They should continue to ignore manufactured drama like this.
Whats worse, this or kernel dev? 😂
would you mind sharing the reasons for core30? i would love to understand this better.
i have read a lot about trusting the experts and i have seen ignorance, but knots usage being at almost 20% and growing - wouldnt that suggest educating the public might help stop this trend?
Yeah, no I won't shoulder. Any Bitcoin core developer who is there to destroy Bitcoin should definitely resign and never touch a computer in their life.
Dismissing it as manufactured eh?
There's about a 45/55 split between Core 29 and Knots 28.
Maybe time to reconsider whether pushing through changes people hate and lying about the rationale isn't the best idea?
(Got the ratio numbers the wrong way around - whoops).
Existential drama is unnecessary. Core is failing to sell their points and the prevailing state will always bee to do what’s secure (no change in the short term).
There’s time for them to keep selling their points and vice versa. I still haven’t heard a strong pitch for anything specific and I’ve heard a lot of general whaling and arrogance from core.
UTXO set bloat, L2 scaling challenges, protocol enhancements, or whatever…. What are the needs and benefits and why are they so important? Where are the best pitches for the op return expansion? You know, the ones that make it clear that it is more important than network security concerns. The one that have actually flipped some opinions?
As an avid confirmation bias resister I’m super interested in these but so far I’m not convinced and I’m definitely not convinced any change is actually urgent.
👂👂👂
If anything we need more devs and more implementations. Not less.
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A surprisingly tone-deaf comment from you, Rusty :/
When you're an ignorant fool, watching wizards work their magic can be quite scary!
You should probably avert your eyes unless you're willing to dig deep into the rabbit hole.
If you want developers to do your bidding, feel free to interview and hire ones you like. Otherwise, keep crying and accomplishing nothing.
Imagine being dumb enough to count nodes as if they're not trivially gameable.
define accomplishment lmao.
Doesn’t matter the exact number. There’s been an obvious shift in sentiment from many node runners. The system is working as every node is a vote. Core seems to think they are entitled to do what they want without pushback. Should people be more respectful in the debate? Sure, but this is the internet after all
Pride comes because the fall
Getting faketoshi vibes
Yeah X is all bots
Nodes are gamed
Couldn’t be that a lot of people actually disagree with Core’s actions
He knows, but bad actors will do bad actors things
they are gameable for both sides wich should still give a good enough measure.
It sounds like you are against Bitcoin?
Imagine being dumb enough to think that centralising Bitcoin is beneficial to anyone that uses it.
Why do you want to limit who can run a node?
Anyone pushing to allow spam on the blockchain knows that allowing spam will lead to child porn and malware.
As we have already witnessed this play out with other blockchains and forks of Bitcoin.
These bad actors trying to centralise Bitcoin should resign.
They want to shoulder the load: replacement is the goal. Why send your PRs to an open repo and have to deal with public review when you can push people to switch to a repo you control, with the ability to both block changes you disapprove of and force through changes you like? The technical and economic disagreements are a useful justification, but they're not the fundamental motivation.
Its an oddly similar vibe
That's a hard question. When you got into a nasty dispute in the kernel, it was usually with a peer who was at least credible in their field.
This stuff is easier to ignore, but there's more of it.
definitely easy to ignore. Feels like it’s mostly just wasting lots of time in a space that already moves pretty slow. I wonder how many years of progress this has set us back.
Also i can’t imagine this getting any better with more users
Create repo for the formal argument for/against. Barrier to entry filter and deduplication. Repeat contributor patterning as prima facie wall of shame.
Wait a year. This will be gone. Some will have learned something, most will have forgotten.
Meanwhile, there is real work to be done.
No, really, this is a distraction. All drama, no content.
But being tricked into doing something by a paper tiger is a real category of mistakes.
I will ignore it, continue my work unaffected, and the world will slowly improve.
