If a pregnant woman in 2025 claimed she was a virgin and that the Holy Spirit put a baby inside her, would you believe it? Why or why not?
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We over look that the angel of God also let Joseph know
#metoo
Back in reality, was Joseph really going to own up to not being able to keep it in his pants in that environment?
Of all the clearly bullshit stories in the Bible, this is one of them.
Are you sure you weren't raped?
I was rapt with joy.
No. But I also wouldn't buy it in ~6 BC either...
I might if he was later killed and then rose from the dead
This woman said the same thing
Probably not. But if that baby grew up, came to a wedding that ran out of booze and turned water into wine to keep the party going - then yes.
Cool blasphemy bro
The worst part of it all is that you’re expected to believe in something impossible just this one time. As if no other story like this was claimed before 😂
Raped in her sleep is a rational explanation
20 years later she said he was but only his disciples saw it happen
I know a magician that can do this. Should we worship him?
Ahh blasphemy: the final boss of critical thinking and reason
I stood in the pulpit of the church I was raised in and denied the holy spirit out loud. You think this is where I'll suddenly become concerned?
Based
Deny all critical thinking and believe without question in what your pastor said some goat herders wrote a couple thousand years ago.
Apologies to goat herders, they don't deserve to get blamed for what Christianity did.
Goat herders on hallucinogenics 😂
Ill pray for you.
I would not believe. I would verify. I would never exclude without checking. If people excluded based on previous experiences we would still be in caves.
I'll put in the work to build a better world for both of us to live in.
Every time humans tried to do it there own way things go horribly wrong.
It’s actually insane when you compare the number of scientists and researchers that are religious and agnostic/atheist. Majority of this field consists of non religious people. It’s not a stretch to say that the world is advancing by the hands of a small minority of non religious people while the religious people hold the world back because they’re stubborn and stuck in the past.
I think the world has become a much better place when people started trying to solve problems with reason than by doing ritualistic sacrifices and rain dances 🤣
Not sure
But eternity in hell?
In 2045? I’d assume there would be more verifiable evidence by then.
Either way, if the story became powerful enough and the values he preached led to success and prosperity, I’m sure it would affect the next 2000 years at least.
Artificial insemination
Virginity would be intact
Nope. That's a lie, because she did the no pants dance with a guy. That was her decision, and that was that.
Mary was the only one who was a virgin, married to Joeseph, and had a birth with Messiah. Nobody else but her has that honor.
What’s the deal being offered if I believe it? If it’s eternity in Heaven, I just might sign up.
So like the doctor that did the artificial insemination was named Holy Spirit?
Believable these days, doctor's parents were probably some kind of new age hippie types back in the 60s
You better find out or you’ll go to hell forever
Disagree. The crusades were a great leap forward for society for sure. Once they stopped listening to gods instructions to kill every male, child, and mother, and keep only the virgin women for involuntary marriage the world got a lot more peaceful.
We could still do better by leaving superstition farther behind.
The evidence is problematic. It is a deterrent of faith. As a result, the leaders of this new religion destroyed all evidence. You have to believe through experience and divine inspiration. Otherwise you’re a lost lamb.
I have a bridge to sell you
I disagree, but let’s say that’s true for the sake of this discussion. Jesus was just a regular man, born naturally, who died on the cross and was not resurrected.
He’s still the most impactful person of the last two millennia, his teachings still are relevant and important parts of our culture, and the Christian tradition should be carried on.
How much?
I very much agree with this.
God bless you friend.
I’m just saying it’s the only explanation that’s is plausible; if there was or is god(s) from other worlds if they can travel from another star system I’m sure they can figure out artificial insemination. To survive on earth without space suits you need to procreate with a human. I’m not saying this is what happened I’m just saying it’s the only possibility that seems plausible if we assume that gods/aliens are real and have visited earth.
Yeah I'm just playin' 😂🤝
I lol 😂
It’s all good
What if a whole bunch of charismatic people claimed it on her behalf after she died and wrote it down in writing so it became a myth and then the myth became accepted as a truth and people were willing to die for that truth. You’d be more likely to believe it then. If she told you straight up you’d tell her she was crazy. We all would. Even the hardcore Christians.
Imagine intentionally getting pregnant and going through all the suffering of labor without enjoying sex 😂
I don't want to imagine that.
But but but those young male war torn orphan children would’ve grown up and tried to get revenge against us. We had to kill them for their own good. Why? You can’t question god and his ultimate wisdom. It’s like an ant questioning a humans wisdom.
Am I doing it right? Do I need to pray harder to believe?
Clearly was not just a man born naturally since his mother never got fucked.
Bandwagon fallacy. The most impactful musicians include cardi b and other retarded mumble rappers. That’s not proof that these are good musicians. And this is not a good argument for why we should continue following these teachings.
2 Bitcoin. It’s a great deal.
Bandwagon fallacy. Everyone watches porn so porn is good. Everyone likes Drake so he must have good music. Everyone takes vaccines so they must be safe and effective. I can go on and on.
Mhmm
A virgin paying child support
Introduce us to the son of god
Close your eyes ask him to reveal himself. Do it harder until your brain hallucinates and shows you the truth.
Yes people really stopped killing each other in a more secular society history shows.
It does actually. Religion is at the center of most wars. Even when it isn't, religious thinking is there. We group as us and others, then demonize the other until most of us think of them as less than human.
I'm opposed to broken thinking patterns and religion is just one of them.
Yes religion is the problem😏
Sold!!
Everyone does not watch porn, and porn is bad. Same for Drake and vaccines.
I’m trying to be polite and have a real discussion here but it’s pretty intellectually dishonest to say that Christianity is equivalent to porn, drake, and vaccines.
You can assess the goodness of something for yourself based on its history and its teachings. And you can even criticize the history of the Church while still acknowledging how culturally influential it was.
It’s hugely arrogant and stupid to assume everyone for two thousand years was just part of some “bandwagon fallacy”.
They would kill you for not believing that Jesus was magic.
Jesus was just a guy.
The Romans needed a reason to worship him so that their leaders could use it to manipulate them, so they made him magic.
But he was just a guy.
They copied half the mythology from what they knew about other religions.
Anyone can find enlightenment or become a spiritual teacher if they devote their life to it.
Doesn't require virgin birth or any other miracles to achieve.
Mahdood woke up and chose religious violence 😄
Let’s grant your interpretation. Christianity still was a pillar of our culture for thousands of years, produced great good in society, has valuable teachings, and isn’t equivalent to watching pornography or listening to drake music.
You got your 1 guy, who was running a cult. We could trade mass murders but I'm sure I'll win. I probably wouldn't even run out of old testament stories.
The facts are, fewer people are religious than ever and your odds of dying of old age are higher than ever.
Statism and religion are cousins
You’re putting words in my mouth. Didn’t say they were equivalent. I used those as an example of the bandwagon fallacy. Your argument was that Christianity is good because Jesus was so impactful. I’m arguing that other things are more impactful than Jesus.
More people watch porn than worship Jesus. So porn is more impactful than Jesus but that doesn’t mean it’s good.
In other words, how impactful something is does not mean it is good or right. Your argument is wrong.
The thought just popped into my head and I had to ask 😂
Lol where did I say equivalent. Look up bandwagon fallacy. How are you going to call me intellectually dishonest when you are arguing without understanding the terminology I’m using?
Also what good are you talking about? The world literally went backwards when Christianity spread. Science was abandoned for religion. The earth became the center of the universe again. Holy wars left and right. Christians killing each other trying to maintain control over the church. You’re completely misinformed.
Suddenly everyone in the chat:
When shit hits the fan, they’re throwing all that love and forgiveness out the window 😂
No, here is something to verify.
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14 ESV
Now look up:
When did Isaiah live?
What is the oldest dated Isaiah scroll we found?
That’s not verifiable
Next time just copy and paste the note ID
Also, learn what sarcasm is
Ad hominem
And your arguments are appeals to authority 🤷♂️
either that or mary was lying which is way more likely