I'm starting to suspect that one reason some Bitcoiners are bearish on nostr is because they are stuck in the mindset that distributed networks have to guarantee message delivery, message permanence, and thus form consensus around that. They don't understand that nostr network fragmentation is actually flexibility.

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Yes, I think that's true. I came to nostr expecting everything to tally up and messages to be seen everywhere. Basically, I expected Twitter without the algorithm, toxicity and bots. A short learning-curve later, I’m beginning to get it. It actually reminds me of early Twitter, where it was more of an online interactive diary we sent out into the ether. It feels early and new and like anything is possible. It’s cool and I’m bullish AF on nostr.
They don’t understand the business model of running a relay. They were burned by “blockchain for storage” crypto scams. But relays are like ISPs and users will pay to well-connected relays. Who would pay to an ISP that is disconnected from 20% of the content online?
Right. You can both build a private clubhouse with limited access and fully encrypted message exchange, or a world-wide-web X client where you dump all messages on as many public relays as possible. How do we make sure everyone can run a relay and such usecases can be super-easy to configure though? And which apps exist that allow building of a clubhouse on top of your own relay, while also (from a UX PoV) easily allowing a user to swap to the X-interface when they're tired of the clubhouse? Surely the relay list should be somehow obfuscated away, while we all still are able to run relays to optimize the message decentralized storage where it is needed to avoid censorship?
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Empka 1 year ago
I think that's definitely one reason. I think there's another major difference that's common amongst twitter addicts: they rely on "the algorithm" to gain followers and influence, which is s lot harder to do when there's no central nostr algorithm that rewards click/rage-bait and short gotcha arguments.
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earthcuddle 1 year ago
Nostr is trust maximizing tech. A web of trust ensuring everyone being able to share their own truths among trusted ones. Thats the opposite purpose than ensuring global consensus on one single Truth.
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They are thinking that hard. It is fear of being seen as making a mistake by the in twitter in crowd or being an seen as an outsider.
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Forest 1 year ago
How about well curated relays?
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Forest 1 year ago
I opened a new Twitter acc. recently, and it felt disgustingly abnormal… Both, the meeting an algo that doesn’t know me, and the amount of bots plastering my feed…
Can you expand on the benefits of fragmentation please? Because honestly with just under a week on #nostr that has been my biggest struggle. I’m between three different clients (albeit each has the same ~20 relays) because one client has more DM accuracy than another (though none of them are perfect and when I put @0xchat in the mix it got even more fragmented), Another client seems to do a better job of keeping track of replies and follows and zaps… And the final one has the most capability and is device agnostic…but has the least accuracy (most fragmentation). So its a mind bender for sure especially when you are trying to connect with people and have conversations.
Yup same experience, also on X you’re constantly experiencing FOMO for the latest message, Nostr is more organic and chill, it’s nice to just to take what gets served up.
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I'm starting to suspect that one reason some Bitcoiners are bearish on nostr is because they are stuck in the mindset that distributed networks have to guarantee message delivery, message permanence, and thus form consensus around that. They don't understand that nostr network fragmentation is actually flexibility.
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El Guirri 1 year ago
In nostr parlance, one is bullshit AF fuck sir