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They're on the wrong network for sure!
How will Bitcoin work when you're in half bombed area without electricity and signal?
internet on a phone is often more reliable than having to deal with physical cash. listen to the episode.
Gaza is under the occupation of Hamas not Israel.
I can't, my friend. I'm getting panic attacks when people suffer, I must avoid such topics. I don't deny Bitcoin would cover a lot of loss, outer help included, but the major weakness is still on my mind.
Khm khm. I would say something but I may get crucified as jesus christ. 🤣✨️
Exactly, and I am not even sure cashu can really help here, you still need connection to the mints once in a while right? Yeah offlin exchange is possible, but let's be honest, can you really go for months without internet? I am not sure.
Would be interesting to see development targeting exactly these scenarios, but I don't think this can ever be solve, first you need to better decentralize network infrastructure.
But how have we failed them? Isn't it the same situation as basically in every country right now that people don't want to accept Bitcoin?
And when there are no cellular networks available or are taken down by governments/bombs?
I feel like these cases are a bit unexplored, but yeah mesh networks would be helpful to connect offline areas to other online areas. Really hope things like meshtastic, reticulum and lora can become more mainstream and be used in these scenarios. At least simple messages and transactions/tokens can be transmitted.
They don't want it, so we failed them? HFSP
you didn't even fail.
You didn't either. They failed themselves
From my non-expert understanding, I’d say the issue is not a technical one (Bitcoin, Lightning, Cashu etc work as intended), but rather an awareness one.
We’re so early that even the “then they fight you” phase has not even really started.
No wonder, that the 90+% of the global population who either follow legacy media or don’t follow media at all don’t know about bitcoin / thinks is some kind of scam.
Having said that, it must be horrible to live in a place with a dying or dysfunctional currency. It must be hell if that is paired with war
How do you propose fixing a distribution problem?
We didn't fail them. Even if the people had Bitcoin, all merchants, ATMs, POS are controlled by the colonist Israel. The plight of Gazans is much bigger than just being able to use money unfortunately.
You don't even need the internet anymore.
When they finally reach their new host country (Egypt, Yemen, or Turkey), they could try using all the money good people around the world send them to buy bitcoin instead of digging tunnels and harming their neighbors.
Oh, I completely forgot about radio waves, right!
I was sending bitcoin to a guy there. He had to sell to USDT, who then had to convert to shekel, to exchange for goods.
The problem is beyond money. There are no goods to buy. No medicine, no baby formula, nothing.
Gaza is a graveyard. When the blockade and bombing subside. They will have killed all 2 million people there.
All live-streamed in 4K. And the world just goes on. Shit they’re bombing the flotilla heading over these now to deliver aid. 😔
I sent a guy in Gaza sats via lightning which he then used to buy supplies for several people.
He provided picture evidence of what he was able to buy with it, it was quite alot.
I was curious about how he managed to spend them.
He said there was an Israeli guy nearby that would convert lightning to Shekels, and then he used the Shekels to buy the supplies.
I would imagine that the facility to convert in that way is all but impossible in Gaza at this stage.
Duh
I'm not listening to NPR, no offence.
Bitcoin is digital cash. It doesn’t *need* any of that.
And twitter is fighting over knots ad core. To me that’s failing
true, but living under a genocidal death cult complicates everything
Interesting take
Oh no
Does digital currencies work when they don't have access to electronic devices or devices being destroyed, sounds like only cash is feasible
🤝
Good on ya for helping! Reminds me of a time something similar happened here, power of Bitcoin is massive.
@Suhail know any humanitarians on the ground?
This is beautiful 😍. Thanks for sharing.
No unfortunately. I used to he’s not there anymore.
Who doesn’t want it?
Please 🙏 read friends 🔻
View quoted note →Yeah, living under zionism does complicate everything, no?
They're all dead
Israel forced Binanace and others to not serve wallets in the location. They've successfully blocked cryptocurrencies except monero which is fine but when there's no electricity, internet connection and controlled wallet access, it makes digital currencies null.
This is what Bitcoiners still can't comprehend
Hamas funder
😂
And the West Bank? 🤡
Fun fact: it won't.
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I think internet connection must be hard to deliver in the area.
100%.
Cashu and bitchat could fix this, but still too fragile and complex for the majority. Meshtastic, radio and satellite are additional options.
We also simply have to admit no form of, known, money can stop insane behavior.
If a person is willing to use violence Bitcoin won't protect you.
And yes also on a big scale if one government has military dominance, can control/destroy all infrastructure, Bitcoin can't help you.
Personally I think it is not one of the, primary, functions money should have.
Do you think Bitcoin has already been reduced in its usefulness as a means of exchange, as digital cash?
Not at all. In fact, it’s only getting better, both from the technical side - e.g. Lightning- as well as from the UX side
The “problem” is that a rational economic operator will save in the harder money and spend in the weaker one, unless otherwise required (e.g. censorship)
My hypothesis is that we are still one or two generations early to see global bitcoin adoption as a means of exchange and unit of account
But what would I know. I’m just an npub
When bitcoiners give up, that's when it will really fail.
I have the same ideology for monero.
Resistance is what strengthens the muscles. As long as crypto anarchists continue to move, no obstacle will be too hard to overcome.
Just have to keep innovating and working towards a common good, but if...
Lets assume I was funding Hamas, which I wasn't.
Our taxes are used to fund terrorist organisations and finance regime change operatives all around the world, but cut out the middle man (the State) and all of a sudden it's immoral?
What's immoral for an individual suddenly becomes morally justified when the State ( a particular grouping of individuals) does it?
The terrorist regime that concerns me is the State which forces it's citizens to contribute towards genocide in far flung corners of the world, or go to prison.
If you removed the threat of imprisonment dangling over the heads of western taxpayers, and allowed them to choose whether or not they want to fund Israel, nobody would give a dime.
Khamas supporter
Yep..
THE DISTURBING fact to me is that despite we think we live in modern, civilized times somehow we can still allow this kind of completely nonsense to happen.
It is just embarrassing.....
I have a very strong feeling that we (in the west mainly) are going towards a very dark period. I notice that people have developed an insensitivity to issues which would have caused a global outcry only 20-30 years ago and would have been stopped. I did not write it in my book, but I strongly believe that 9/11 was the inflection point for western civilization. Then 25 years of televised massacres have made people insensitive to such dramas. When something like Gaza happens and is watched live by hundreds of millions and nothing happens, people become indifferent, then the next step is we will see that happening sooner or later near our homes.
I have this hope much of your described insensitive behavior is in fact caused by the currupt fiat system we live in.
Money is one of the basic foundations of moders society.
And by being 'corrupt' we can't expect the society living on that standard to be different than 'corrupt'.
At least that gives me the hope we have a fix, being #Bitcoin....
Normies wouldn't care about that
Naturally, you guys will need to do more than just trust me, but I'm allegedly their first Bitcoin donation.
Ive encouraged them to look into it further and suggested they reach out to HRF to see if they could help.
Maybe a few minutes of education could go a long way here. We should try.
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