Regardless of the technical merits of core vs knots, the most remarkable thing to me is how reluctant core is to the opinions of the users who are actually running the software they make. In a business world, if that many of your customers stood up and said you’re making a mistake, you’d probably listen very quickly.

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jb55 _@jb55.com 5 months ago
why would nuclear engineers entertain the opinion of the general public? you could argue bitcoin is more important than the operation of a nuclear power plant. its engineering and game theory over feels.
I’m a nuclear engineer. Sometimes the best ideas come from contractors who have real world experience. We are all plebs including the devs.
they are messing with peoples LIFE SAVINGS in a cavalier, dinsingenuous and unforgivably insulting manner... only absolute scum, or niggers bought off, could behave thusly.
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₿randon 5 months ago
Thanks for saying this! Src: power sector and not many are as open minded as they should be, or as smart as outsiders would think
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jb55 _@jb55.com 5 months ago
yeah but you're not encorporating the opinions of twitter users into your engineering decisions. lets be honest.
A good idea is a good idea. If I was having a discussion on twitter about it I wouldn’t write off the idea because of the forum. My biggest turn off from bitcoiners is the ego many carry, that getting into bitcoin made them a genius in all aspects. Just because someone is a dev doesn’t mean they actually understand all aspects.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 5 months ago
I no longer believe you are an engineer if you actually believe this. i don’t think i’ve ever seen a good idea from twitter, it only happens via actual contributions
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the axiom 5 months ago
what about all the users who are quiet? that's such a shortsighted dumb position, "I'll listen to whatever vocal minority", "troublemakers run my company"
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Stvu 5 months ago
Yeah it’s like saying “but what if” What if some rando had a good idea… it happens I guess. Typically the good ideas come from ACTUALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE
I see you fit into that group. I’m not here to boost my ego or prove myself. I’ll return to shit posting now.
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DireMunchkin 5 months ago
The problem is that they mostly get paid by grant funding so Bitcoin users aren't actually the customers. It's an incentive misalignment.
I wouldn’t say it’s misalignment. If they were paid by users then they could be bought. There’s a trade-off but overall I think grants are a better funding model.
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BTCBaggins 5 months ago
Almost like there was.... pressure? Or incentive?
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Leigh 5 months ago
A flawed analogy. Node runners are not the general public, although it is a spectrum, so more like sub-station operator or lineman. Still a flawed analogy… The key part is not the engineering (I’m tired of repeating this). It’s more like a government which was previously serving the public but then began to serve corporate interests. People hate that shit.
Regardless of technical merits, what stands out is how resistant Core is to user feedback. In any business, if that many customers said you’re wrong, you’d adapt fast or go out of business.
I only print fiat to buy Bitcoin. I don't make bad policy decisions regarding Bitcoin development, for the benefit of the companies paying me.
I think the current devs should be far more humble. It's only once in a century -- or maybe ten centuries -- that a discovery like Bitcoin is made. It should be approached with a reverence compared to which mere conservatism would look like libertine excess. The vibes I'm getting from Core and their sycophants is "we are anarchic geniuses, you know nothing compared to us, only we 'know what bitcoin is'; we've got a lot of things we want to try -- wheee! -- so just shut up, stop spoiling our fun, and enjoy the anarchy."
Not it wouldn’t. It would actually be egoistical engineer who doesn’t consult his operators or maintenance tech before a system design. Which inevitably will lead to the engineer getting shit canned.
probably best middle ground would be leave the default and give users ability to change if they want
This needs a good strawman! Here you go! Have you heard of central bank ? They believe they need to control the money, they think they are smarter than the market.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 5 months ago
Arrogance is thinking you know better over a nuclear engineer. I would not try to tell them how to do their job
There would be no nuclear reactor for the engineer to operate without the public’s consent and complicity. Your analogy doesn’t hold: authority is never self-justifying. Nobody is above scrutiny. Authority is not claimed—it is conditionally granted, and once granted, it remains fragile, revoked the moment those entrusted prove unworthy of the respect that sustained it.
wouldn't knot's hardfork give the state powers to control the blockchain? how is that any different?
They can control core if they wanted to by compromising 5 devs to increase op_return to 100,000k so that child porn can be distributed and then go after node runners for storing child porn on their home servers.