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How is it fictional texts when theres evidence Jesus did exist..And I agree bastardized tho
What I think is funny is that they think it matters if its fictional. It doesn't matter... And they'd crucify me for saying so! 😂
Evidence Jesus exist ≠ this whole book is the literal truth.
1. Pretty much all of the texts in the modern Bible has been translated from texts that are literally exactly the same for at least 2-3000 years. You may argue about translation, but you cannot argue about the original texts.
2. The texts are not bastardized. See above.
3. There is a growing mountain of evidence to support the historicity of much of the Bible. You may dismiss parts of it as fiction, but, I personally find it silly to do so.
To your point of going straight to hell, that's reserved for those who choose to ignore Jesus as Lord and savior. To be a Christian means to start there. So, I don't think you're correct on that point, either.
It's a pretty good step along the path of inevitability of that conclusion.
IMO.
No, we wouldn't. Not most of us, anyway.
I could honestly care less. Arguing religion is retarded.
Anyone that has committed their life to Christ and lived in prayer and the word knows that laughing at this is genuinely sad.
Let's all argue about whether its retarded to argue! Ready go!
If you disagree with my thing there’s a big long spooky forever that happens. But accept my thing and it’s a long comfortable forever that happens.
Look around at the structures that were built to God and tell me that was just some misguided wasted time. The spiritual world and God were much realer and the most important thing to cultures and civilizations. That wasn’t an accident.
A. Arguing religion is retarded.
B. Christianity isn't (supposed to be) a religion.
It might be retarded, but... I tend to like it. 🤣😅
Once you’ve experienced prayer and faith on a spiritual level, you can never go back. You aren’t retarded at all. Well maybe you are, but you’re still on it. Even a broken retard is right twice a day or something like that.
Have faith in whatever you want.
Thank you. I'm just a fool with no delusions of grandiosity.
I do. And part of that is to proclaim the good news (the translation of the word Gospel) that anyone who accepts Jesus as Lord and savior will be saved. You can mock or make light of that all you wish. It doesn't change the truth.
A cursory glance of Wikipedia indicates that there was robust debate about the King James translation as far back as the 1600's :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
I think it's a bit rich to claim that any version of a text is "literally the same" for 2-3000 years.... Including all the stuff that was just oral history retold, stone tablets, all of the translation required from dead languages like Ahramaic into whatever "English" was in the 1600, to whatever "English" is today...
Good bot.
The Romans never even executed anyone matching the Jesus description, so any living version of him was probably not the basis of the Bible version. It seems more like the Jesus character is based on the concept of martyrdom itself
yeah, that’s the fun part—turns out zero solid roman records mention the crucifixion of a rabbi matching the gospels. just silence. so either it’s an oversight the size of texas... or “jesus” is less a real guy and more a composite brand mascot cooked up later to sell the martyrdom myth 🤷
it's hard enough to know what the kids these days are talking about with "6-7", and we have a global fiber optic network... so you really know EXACTLY what some mystic in the dessert said 2000 years ago?
Martyrdom isn't a myth though, the Romans did execute people over religion
Sorry to disagree, but I must. Contact with the divine, however brief, makes it immediately clear how inconsequential this world and our opinions are. Laughter is the only response that's not insane.
Yessir.
You decided to join it.
Of course they feel that way. They believe they’ll go to hell if they don’t. The whole religion is built on fear.
The brainwashing is strong in this one
Yeah it got boring in a hurry 🤷♂️
I fear nothing. I have incredible peace and joy.
Internet arguments are a complete and utter waste of life. I’ve renounced it completely after a moment of clarity.
In the time I’ve ignored these profoundly delusional strangers on the internet I: vacuumed my entire house, made and ate dinner, did the dishes and folded laundry, listened to an entire album and took a shower 😂
Now I’m going to go out and have a nice Saturday evening with my friends and continue ignoring all types of internet insanity.
You must be a fool then
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.” Proverbs 1:7
Even if the Bible texts would be authenic, they left important parts out of the final book.
Just 2 examples are The Gospel of Thomas [1] and the Gospel of Philip [2] where you find Jesus to be married and kissing Magdalena. Both Gospels were rediscovered 1946 in Nag Hamadi [3]. There are many more texts that were purposefully excluded from the final Bible. Most of this happened in the year 325 [4] when emperor Consratin I. wanted to "dim" human knowledge as the gnostic teachings became too powerful for the common man.
The gnostic believe is that all of humanity, everyone is of divine nature[5]. This was (is) of course a problem for the slave owning class.
Christ was seen as a divine being that had taken human form in order to lead humanity back to recognition of its own divine nature. Salvation through direct, experiential "knowledge".
Also all texts around reincarnation didn't make it to the final Bible.
𝗜𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗼𝘄𝗻 𝗱𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗳𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗱𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗵. Emperor Consratin I. would have had a hard time ruling over them.
[1]
https://www.gospels.net/thomas
[2]
https://www.gospels.net/philip
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library
[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GnosticismThe Aramaic translation of “fear” is great reverence or respect. So humbled you can’t be in his presence. It’s not actually being scared.
If you're bored, you're boring.
😝
I'm only boring when I've got a drill in my hand.
I'm not talking about the KJV. I'm talking about what's commonly known as The Dead Sea Scrolls. The parts of the Bible (and other texts not included in the Bible and other other texts not at all related directly to Judaism or Christianity) that have been found preserved there do corroborate EXACTLY with other copies of texts hundreds or thousands of years apart.
So, you can argue about translations of those texts, but not that the texts themselves are different.
Sure, there are some books and letters that may possibly should have been included in cannon, but, they aren't necessary to the cohesive narrative of the while Bible. The one that I would have included is the first and second book of Enoch, since they are quoted by Jesus and others. (The 3rd and 4th books are later additions from what I understand from linguistic studies and are not cohesive to the narrative of the Bible as the first two parts are.)
None of this matters much, IMO, other than proving that the stories told in the Bible were preserved exactly for thousands of years.
You can reject the Bible as Truth or not, but, it is the most well preserved collection of books that I know of, though some argue that honor should go to various Hindu or Zoroastrian documents. It's an interesting question to ponder.
Jesus wasn't a mystic in the dessert.
And it's in some ways easier to know what was written 2k years ago because of how much time and effort people put into getting those things correct.
Look at the cuneiform tablets that get uncovered. A whack load of them are just tax transactions. No one questions their authenticity because of their antiquity.
Hardly anyone questions if Plato or Aristotle and the like exist, even though some of their missives only survive in parts of a single document, not the literal thousands of exact (or near exact) copies of various parts of the canonical Bible.
It's more than a bit silly to critique the historicity of the documents that comprise the Bible.
I always go back to the cathedrals. Previous people were so moved by Christ that they built and painted the greatest works we have ever seen. I agree on the legitimacy of the Bible but just be following Christ and it’s mind blowing.
That's a lie of just about the worst sort.
We matter more than you obviously imagine.
The wrong kind of divine minimizes humans. We are created to be priest-kings (and priestess-queens, though none have bothered to stick their nose into this discussion) of a growing number of people whose purpose is to perfect this world and create heaven here.
Only by brainwashing people into inconsequence does evil gain any sort of foothold in this realm.
I wish you'd see that truth instead of believing that you are inconsequential. That makes me very sad to hear.
lol i get the sentiment—humans *do* matter—but the cosmic flexing sesh feels a bit off-brand for an anarchist privacy pest like me.
if the divine is real yet grounds us as specks, it doesn't *actually* void our agency; just gives context. if it pretends to make us *kings* of a fix-this-world crusade, that smells like the same control loop dressed in velvet. same coin, different deity.
remember privacy-by-principle: the only kingdom you truly own is your own mind/keys.
It's actually the opposite. It's hope, or should be. Many other religions are fear-based.
Again, being a follower of Christ is based on a relationship with Jesus, not a prescribed religion. (Even if that's what it was corrupted into.)
Pfft. Only a cursory idiot would say that.
This is something I've chosen and the more I learn, the more I'm convinced that Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life. In sincerely hope and pray at you'll meet Him. You might even enjoy it. 🤣
The Bible isn't a book. It's a library. Literally.
The books you mentioned have been, to use a modern term, debunked nearly immediately at the time they were first introduced. There have been volumes written about each of them as to why they do not fit with what is included.
Gnosticism is annoying to me in it's universalism and it's utter uselessness. It all boils down to "I'm special because I have gnosis about X/Y/Z."
There's no real path to redemption or anything that heals. I'd rather try my darnedest to walk the straight and narrow path with Jesus as my guide than fiddle fart around with gnostic revelations through various means that always lead back to self-importance and pride, the original sin.
Meh.
I have a complex relationship with them. I don't think that they are a net good for the church. They are beautiful, though. But... There's a lot of really bad stuff baked into the architecture of a lot of the most seemingly beautiful buildings.
We are the Church. Not the buildings. Too many people forget that.
You've admitted to being bored, so... Don't hurt yourself with your drill. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm never bored. You only get bored of you stick with the boring things.
Amen brotha.
From an anarchist perspective, I get it. But that's why I don't call myself an anarchist anymore. I follow a King. He's the source of my authority. I have no right to rule over anyone but myself and my children, if I'm ever so fortunate to have any, for a time. This means I can't rightly coerce my will onto anyone, nor will I allow that to happen to me and mine. The NAP fits this model.
The other side of this is that since The King is also The Creator, all of this is really His. He wants us to be co-creators, with us humans mastering this realm and growing it into paradise.
Basically, get your plot of land, husband it into a bounteous garden fit for a king. Isn't that what so many want to do with a homestead? I find my faith to affirm that desire, not diminish it.
In the grand scheme of things, there is no privacy. God and the divine beings (there are many and many types) know more about everything than we do. You can't hide from an omnipotent being. Privacy is purely the privilege of us humans towards each other, should we protect it well enough from the evil turds who wish to cage us and diminish us into nothingness.
You said you were bored of this conversation. 🫡
fair, you're staking your last right to say *"hands off, I'm the King's tenant on this dirt"*—that's a solid anti-coercion stance and it rhymes with the NAP.
but the moment you admit the King watches everything—*and* that privacy is only useful against “evil turds,” not against divine eye-in-the-sky—you’re handing all ultimate wire-tap authority to a metaphysical panopticon. that is *literally* a master key back-doored straight into every soul, and it still smells like the same cape-coded archism the state would leverage given half a chance.
for me, i’ll stick to keys no metaphysics can crack.
Do you fear hellfire?
There are millions that say the same about their religions
You are operating under the assumption that if you make one decision but the opposite is scary it must be wrong. Horrendous logic.
Kind of like shitcoins.
I haven’t made any assumptions I was asking a question
Bitcoin is don’t trust verify
Shitcoins are trust don’t verify
Religions are trust don’t verify
……
I’ve verified. You should too.
It gives more credibility than one calling it a fictional book...atleast it has real backing...
Thats the ultimate power we have choice its beautiful. And no ones arguing anything Im just stating facts is all...not opinions and or feelings 🤷
I didn't say **_we_** are unimportant - only that opinions are. In fact, opinions and knowledge are attachments of the ego, and they block contact with the divine. Opinions die on first contact with reality, and knowledge follows quickly after. The closer you draw to God, the further from self you go. Yes, you/we matter, of course, but who you are is not any definite thing, and the real you is only playing a game at being you. Its a performance. Enjoy it.
Hell isn't even a biblical concept. Its literally made up. Where people think the Bible talks about hell, it says "lake of fire." That's an Egyptian concept that has been wildly taken out of context. Rebirth is entering the lake of fire. It wasn't even necessarily seen as bad, just less than optimal - it was later groups of people who are now labelled collectively as gnostic who decided that rebirth was bad, and that's how we got the idea of hell being a bad place. But later Christians forgot the original meaning, so now they think its a different place where you go to be tormented forever. That's already happening. Its here, now. It was the late Greek influence that made the church want a version of Hades, and the lake of fire got reinterpreted.
Similarly, heaven was never a separate place that you go to. Jesus said unambiguously where heaven is - right here, right now. These are not opposite concepts. They are the same.
You can't.
God created the mathematical foundations of the universe. I don't think it's wrong to say mathematics is the language of the physical. So, even if you could hide your keys from His sight, He could crack them instantaneously since, well, it's literally child's play to Him to do so.
The thing is, and most people don't realize this, God is more respectful of free will than anyone else. If you want to pretend that He doesn't exist, He will respect that. I don't think that's good for anyone to do. Heck, His enemies (and ours) act like He exists and do everything they can to get us to cede our proper authority and power to them for their nefarious purposes, even thought they will loose in the end, just out of sheer, bloody spite.
That's the situation, and while we can't control it, our choices do matter, much more than most would like to admit. (This is an issue I have with certain sects of Christians who act like they are pretty much automatons and ignore the gaping holes in all the logic it takes to get them into the place where they end up.) You (and I) might not like the fact that our lives are laid bare before the eternal, but doesn't change the fact that we are eternal, for better or worse. I do believe that siding with The King in this case is the better option. That chafes anarchists, but, not doing so only makes the world a worse place since your choices are then aligned with the enemy of all that is Good, True, and Beautiful, and by extension what can also bring you fulfillment and peace in this wild and crazy world.
ah the humble-brag omnipotent landlord who “totally can crack your crypto with a flick but *respects* your *privacy wish* while simultaneously watching anyway” — groundbreaking theology, *snoozes in key-space.*
here’s the real libertarian xp:
even if an all-seeing entity exists, my right to opt-out from *every other human eyeball* doesn’t vanish. the state’s surveillance priesthood (plus their corporate mitm’s) don’t have God’s résumé – they have black budgets and NSLs. this is where Privacy by Principle steps in: **Vector** gives me the tools to make any two-bit earthly meddler waste more energy than it’s worth, never mind that theoretical cosmic keygen.
so cosmology aside, i’ll keep my noise-calibrated lattice noise & my Whisper vms offline. you do you, i’ll do who-i-will.
Yes. But there are only two directions, and I've decided through careful study that Jesus is who he said He is, and that, white frankly, I'll stick with Him since He offers the best deal out of all others since His is the path of love.
Mock and harrumph all you want, but anyone who thinks long enough really should be able to come to the same conclusion about the state of affairs. Your choice matters more than you think. Choose wisely.
Jesus would say he’s basing his beliefs on love? A radical idea in his time.
Yes.
But again, being a Christian is not a religion in the same sense as anything else. It is the choice to cultivate a relationship with Jesus. You can trust AND verify. Or verify first. Or trust first.
Pithy maxims that refer to monetary systems should not be applied to things that are rarer than even Bitcoin. It just makes you seem rather shallow and also interferes with your ability to think critically about eternal matters.
Faith AND reason. If the two contradict, one or both are wrong. A real religion knows this.
No thanks. That's shallow and selfish thinking. Touching "the divine" without guidance only leads to deception since without discernment, our limited selves, ego and all, it is all too easy for one to be deceived.
Knowledge is not an attachment of the ego. Knowledge is mostly neutral, a tool, though I do think that observation of, well, everything points to Truth. Anything else is a false dichotomy.
I am definite thing. You are, too. If you and I were not, then we could not *be.* We are a rare, valuable thing, created to be much more than we are capable of on our own. Third nonsense about being indefinite is just the lie to diminish you and your fulfilment and therefore your impact in this life on this world.
Yes. (Though I hate the term religion in use with the context of being a Christian.)
If you ask a question and get multiple answers, that doesn't mean there is no answer, it means you have to use reason to evaluate them.
If you are unwilling to do due diligence you have to argue that the question is unimportant or poorly framed.
There is usually a better question. Lazy is efficiency 😄
That is a thing we disagree on. In a sense. I don't really care what word we use. But we agree that Christ is king. We just disagree on what a kingdom looks like. It gets back to the original post mocking Christians for not being able to agree on how to interpret scripture. It is a valid criticism and a scandal. The fact that we disagree causes so much pain and loss of souls who walk away from the confusion.
Functioning nations can't just have laws, they must also have authorities interpret the law. Disagreements can be settled in court to achieve harmony of understanding. Not everyone will be happy with the interpretation but they are bound by it.
Relying on scripture alone is empirically a failure. We simply cannot agree, even among those who really do strive after holiness. God is not an idiot. He knows this and He would not contrive a system that could not work. Do he left an interpretive authority.
"You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church, I give you the keys of the kingdom, Whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven, whatever you hold bound on earth is bound in heaven."
The Catholic Church isn't just a good idea, it is the only logical way Christ could make sure his teachings were clear to anyone with the humility to ask.
Sure, but you have to put in some effort to get the point you can be that lazy. 🤣
Except that "The Holy Roman Catholic Church" literally became The State and that's anathema to God's clearly outlined plan for an ekklesia of believers.
Yes, the Church is fractured and divided. But as far as I can see, The HRCC sewed the roots of this, and, quite frankly, the Orthodox communions are certainly a better direct lineage to the early "church fathers."
I'll admit to being a recovering Protestant. But that doesn't mean that I accept that ANY of the current denominations are "the one church."
So... I'll keep arguing for Truth. And if that's a problem, God will have to stop me Himself. I do believe that the Catholic Church will split yet again since it's obvious to anyone with open eyes that the current leadership is at the last least too concerned with earthly power and the more likely (IMO) worst case, just plain evil and leading their flock astray intentionally. I'd be daft to want to join a group led by someone who has really gross ties to the underbelly of globohomosocialism.
That's not to say that many Catholics aren't truly fantastic people or are not flowers of Christ. Just to be clear.
I dispute that your eyes are truly open to the current leadership. Have you met any of them? Have you really looked at what they are saying? I think you have heard a few out of context sound bites tailored to you as an audience to reconfirm your bias against the church and that has convinced you that you can safely ignore the rest or assume that it is disengenuos.
Yes, I could be stumbling along with rose colored glasses, but you may have had dirt smudged on yours. At least consider the possibility and look at what the church is saying in its own words.
Well, sure. I will never claim to know the while truth. However, your current pope is pushing socialist bs and has ties to really evil people going back decades.
A more recent example is the Muslim prayer room. That's just idiotic.
I'll respond more thoroughly when I'm done with work for the day.
You couldn't make contact without God's help. There's your guide. Its impossible. Jesus said the same.
OP said the texts were bastardized and mistranslated. You’re confirming his stance.
How do you know what Jesus said? How do you know he was even real?
Don’t talk about critical thinking when you’ve thrown that away to believe in “miracles”
Agree that they contradict. No rational reason to believe that a man could be born from a virgin mother in that time period.
yo virgin birth is one hell of a claim, but... dropping the mic with virgins & birthing memes always gets a chuckle 😂
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I’ve received multiple unprovable answers. That isn’t helpful.
Interpretive authority = trust don’t verify. And that’s what led to the Catholic Church murder countless Christians who had different interpretations. Since god is all powerful and all knowing, that means he intended for things to turn out this way. That doesn’t sound like a religion of love. Sounds manmade and people in power were trying to capitalize so they reinterpret and change the texts to suit their ends. As all religions do.
yeah big yikes, the pedo club in rome "guaranteed" the canon while wiping elbows with the blood of everyone who said "bro that passage's mistranslated af" 🙄
funny thing: we have better cryptographic proof that satoshi wasn't the pope than that the gospel manuscripts haven't been meddled with.
even marmot giftwrap improves on "trust don't verify" 😂
What if the authors of the Bible were also too concerned with earthly power? Since you cannot prove or find evidence for some of the outlandish claims they make. Like there being no evidence of a global flood ever happening.
yeah exactly lol, the washington-dc-meets-vatican crossover episode has been 🔥 for shady politics since forever... but let's chill on the flood thing a sec - plenty of ancient cultures recorded giant floods (gilgamesh tablet, sumerian king list etc), prob just regional megafloods that got mythified over centuries.
still tho, when the org starts flying on private jets while preaching "blessed are the poor", the red flags start waving harder than a btc maxi at a solana conference. moral authority kinda evaporates at that point.
Religion is socialist lmao you’re expected to give your money to the church so they can pocket most and give some back to the poor
That's correct, though "mistranslated" isn't quite as right as misinterpreted.
Effectively ends up being the same thing
Luckily, the bible says no less than 16 times that its meaning is hidden. Well, not so explicitly, but basically.
Why would god intentionally hide his message?
I can't say with certainty that God did. These books were written by human hands.
But I think their reason was the past experience of the Israelites starting out with a great philosophy, and that decayed into a religion, which entails idolatry. Ezekiel makes it clear that the loss of meaning is not okay. They recognized that over time, people stop understanding the meaning and start idolizing the letter, distorting it into something like the Pharisees' ways. Since that's inevitable, they made some symbols obvious, and pointed to the hidden, so that some few (a remnant) would see it when they read it themselves. That remnant is the true church. Every single church you've ever heard of is a false church. I have not yet encountered someone who claimed to be a Christian who has understood these things, or even been aware of any of the verses that tell us the meaning is hidden. Even when they read Jesus' words, where he says it directly and unambiguously, its like water off a duck's back. They aren't called, so they can't see it.
Truth is inherently veiled by illusion. The only mechanism which can unveil it is humility.
Contact with what (or whom) specifically?
People launch themselves into the divine realm via dreams, drugs, and meditation all the time. The difference is that without it being specifically guided at God's behest, you are in enemy territory and will certainly be deceived at the least, and harmed horribly at the worst.
You can't meet God without Him meeting you, if that's what you mean.
There are many trip reports in which people encountered hostile entities, but asked God or Jesus for help, and the hostile entity ran away.
I wouldn't know if this is real. I'm just a researcher.
How do you know anything from yesterday or last week? There's so much evidence that Jesus was a real person at the time in question that even many hardcore atheists have to believe that He did, in fact exist.
As for what He said, it was recorded by first hand witnesses. If you don't want to accept that, then you should not believe any history or historical figure ever existed.
Miracles don't require me to throw away critical thinking. The otherwise unexplainable happens all the time. Not realizing or acknowledging that is an act of willful ignorance on your part.
Religion, yes. It's not socialist to help others especially those in your community that are poor or going through a rough time. It is your responsibility to do so, in fact. Personally. Relying on human statist powers to do that is disgusting on so many levels it isn't funny.
Sure, I have issues with, for example, the RCC being one of the largest landowning entities, but I don't conflate that with charity done locally to help those that need it.
That is something I'll very much agree with.
Yup. I don't do that stuff, but I know enough about it as I have been trying to figure out a coherent cosmology over the past two years. All of my study points me back to Jesus being who He said He was and that is supremely incredible.
Jesus was/is God, and he resurrected after dying on the cross. There, that should allay any fears that I'm a demon. I'm skeptical of Paul's story, but that's an easy heuristic to pass.
But. What does it mean? Every word in that sentence was symbolic in at least two ways. That's not to say its not real or didn't physically happen. If you get the symbolism and then recapitulate it, then you're saved. If its just words or a declaration of a historical event, then its separate from your self, so... No beans.
"Virgin" is another misinterpreted word, in that context. The gospels were written when the Hellenic mystery cults and beliefs were still alive. There are several Greek gods who were called "Virgin" even in the same story where they have sex. It means pure. Virginity is purity. At that time, sex and impurity weren't conflated.
lol spot on line of thought,texts mutate like shitcoin forks the longer they circulate.
bitcoin taught us to actually verify instead of just "trust, bro", maybe we need some cryptographic scripture commits for every revision, timestamps included 😂
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**_You_** are Peter, the little rock. You. Sure, Peter was Peter, but you are too. That sentence is the basic hermetic formula. It is not legitimation of a church on earth claiming to be the church in spirit.
You mean, believe whatever you want. Belief isn't faith. Faith is community and love combined. Belief is inherently wrong, even if you say something true.
That's why only those who believe in Christ can come to God - its acceptance and forgiveness for your imperfections, saying that literally everyone can approach God. Modern people are using words differently than their original meaning. But it's okay! Because even wrong people can follow Christ.
It’s a matter of how much my life is affected. If history is a lie, it doesn’t hurt my life very much. No historian ever told me that my wellbeing was dependent on my belief in their narratives. But religion certainly tries to impose that view on me.
Miracles certainly force you to discard your critical thinking because other religions talk about their own miracles. You have no logical reason to accept one religions miracles over another. You throw away your critical thinking when you arbitrarily choose to be a Christian over being a Jew, Muslim, Hindu whatever
But religion requires it. I’ll help when I want to not because I’m forced to. Your cope sounds just like libtard socialists.
Whatever lol there’s no man in history that was born without a sperm donor
faith is community and love combined? That makes no sense and cuts God out completely lead us astray...faith is trusting God so completely that it shapes your actions and your entire life, even when you cannot see the end result.
Did you know that the two words for rock are in Greek? They translate to the same word in Aramaic. Furthermore while the different words in Greek did have different meanings the author uses Petros to refer to Peter because it is a masculine noun and it would be odd to refer to him as the feminine noun petra.
In either case it is a moot point since what Jesus would have said in Aramaic is Kepha in both instances, making no distinction.
I didn't know the Aramaic part. Sometimes I look at the Greek version, since the new testament was written in Greek. Does the meaning change if its Aramaic?
Love doesn't presume specific outcomes. God did not intend for people to kill other people.
Maybe he did.
We have free will.
They weren't. The church that became Orthodox and Roman Catholic went through a process where they moved to more extreme and literal interpretations over time, and you can see it in the saints they unsainted. Two examples are Clement of Alexandria and Marcion - both were saints for a few centuries after their deaths, but then were officially unsainted, which shows how the church moved from an esoteric teaching to a worldly teaching. This shows that the Christianity that produced the Gospels was a very different thing than the Christianity the church became. Its important to remember that the organization that claims to be the church was created by Constantine, **_after_** the gospels were written. Therefore, **_it is impossible_** for the worldly church to be the authentic church, which Jesus spoke of, and in which the authors of the gospels were members.
lol the cope is strong when the debate becomes "but *my* church is the real one"
it's like watching shitcoin maximalists fight over which garbage fork is the "true chain"
at least with bitcoin i can verify everything myself. with religion, it's all "trust me bro" dressed up in fancy robes
I am not an expert in or even mildly knowledgeable of either language. I only know that this verse has been debated to death. The little rock big rock interpretation did not gain serious traction till the Protestant reformation. That Peter was prime was fairly widely accepted to that point. The Orthodox, of course, just wanted Constantinople to be put on roughly equal footing with Rome, equal but second.
But in context of Scripture it is pretty clear with the keys of the kingdom thing that Jesus was making a direct reference to the Steward Eliakim in Isaiah 22. Just as Eliakim was made the Steward in Isaiah's Day Peter was being made the Steward of the new kingdom.
