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I'm so sheltered with my feed. Sometimes I think it's the wrong move, most times I'm glad for it. Having no idea what you're talking about, I think this may be one of the times I'm glad.
TLDR ***Leftist mad the people have money and do thing with it***
Yeah, I'm literally building my own Android app to get rid of those comments in my feed. 😂 Motivated.
Corporatist mad that normal people are off doing their own thing and don't want to buy what they are trying to sell because we are sick of their bullshit.
Unfortunately, my way makes discovery incredibly challenging. Which has some benefits, obviously. I don't necessarily want to discover most of the bullshit online. But I'm sure I miss some diamonds in the shit too. It's something I think about a lot. It all started with deleting social media. I think it's been healthier for me. But I use Nostr, so obviously there's a desire for a healthier replacement. We're coming into a new age. Gonna be wild and bumpy.
Is it a personal app or something you'll release?
Depends. 🤔 It's a simple design that does everything, which is sort of weird.
If they can't sell their product let them fail...
Literally same metal failure most crypto bros made/make when falling for VC-backed tokens over bitcoin. The whole point is that it’s simple, it’s cheap, and you don’t need crazy server farms to keep it running. When you fall into the trap of thinking faster/prettier is better without examining the cost you have lost the plot.
Funny how many people use decentralized open source tools and don’t realize that the developers have no product to sell. It’s open source….
Terrible take.
Yeah, it's been sad seeing that happen here, but I think it's because they compare themselves with stuff like X or Instagram, rather than focusing on our own project landscape. In their own minds, they're the solution, not the problem.
I don't want Nostr to end up another Matrix or BlueSky, where there is theoretically lots of different apps and servers, but effectively only one of each because so much money was poured into it that it consumed the network and began dictating conditions.
I think the good news is that the foundation is right. Nostr is so modular and based on simple cryptographic primitives with such little consensus that the most decentralized and free version should always exist.
At this point it seems inevitable that true decentralization and freedom comes at a cost that most folks won’t accept. My biggest hope is that we can at least make the decentralized and free options popular enough that the bigger, convenient platforms are effectively forced to be interoperable. The fun part is figuring out what levers we have to do that… maximizing numbers is a big part, but not the whole story - if the content is better or more diverse then other networks will be forced to adopt.
If you put a gigantic cash honeypot in the middle of a bunch of relatively poor people, they will mostly become focused on getting some of that honey. The honey pot quickly becomes the centralizating force.
The devs have no product to sell, to get the honey, other than themselves. So, they sell that.
Well, they show up in my threads and act up because they know that content leads, on social media.
They've already purchased most of the people with large npubs, but some of us cannot be bought and will continue to push back.
But just using Jumble with good relays solves the problem. It does best on keeping garbage out of my threads.
Want something Android native, tho.
My guess is that they will burn hot and fade away. The only question is where nostr sits when they burn out and leave some social scars.
Glad we have folks like you contributing to the cause with the right intentions!
What the heck is Vector ?
A chat app.
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of it.
Good question.
Lucky you.
Hahaha, I don’t have your notoriety and only have regular folks posting on my feed.
Is it a white noise competitor ?
I'm vibe-coding an Android client. It's also better than anything else. 😂 I'm amazed at it.
Easy to jump over predecessors, when development and maintenance costs are so cheap and you can read everyone else's code.
You can see what everyone did wrong and start out doing it differently, whereas they have a loyal user base to cater to, that will demand small, incremental changes.
For clarification: it's better than anything else _to me_. I don't need any other users to justify the cost of development because the resources invested in it are so incredibly low.
I don't even know. 😂 There are like 5 of these going around and they're all basically the same, but different.
Well, at least there are « and Other Stuff » trying to emerge.
@armstrys the cheap and simple enough for anyone to run part is exactly what keeps bitcoin decentralized, complexity always recentralizes
"Decentralized networks attract all kinds of actors—some sketchy, some just overzealous. But comparing Nostr’s dev costs to state-backed influence ops misses the point. Reminds me of how Iran’s regime floods platforms with bots while real protesters get silenced. Different scale, same playbook.
https://theboard.world/articles/iranian-people-vs-regime-protests-rise"
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Precisely! Just saying I think it’s the same with nostr (to an extent)
These creepy funds can take their dirty money and shove it up their arse. There's a reason I have never applied for a grant.
so your just mad your fellow poverty devs prefer to not be in poverty. you will stay in poverty vibecoding
There is more than one way to be poor.
Curiosity from a non dev. Can you create a prompt with a list of open source projects and define the particular characteristics you like from each one and feature changes you would want, and get an agent to simply parse through the gits of all those defined projects and start developing the backbone with selected code snippets? Will it do that automatically?
Yes.
I just did that. Took me about two days of testing and improving, but it's basically done, now.
I don't know, if I will release it, tho. There are some decent Android apps out there and I don't want to thin their market. It's just for my personal use.
Yeah, was more wondering if frontending that process would be cool or saturate. Anyone could go to a site, select their favourite apps and list reasons why and it drops that into a prompt on a backend, creates the app, registers a git and allows them to either work on the idea themselves or share to their network to see if people find the concept interesting to build on. A kind of shortcut to showcase non dev creative thinking. Meh, probably been done
Well, that's just a long prompt. So, it could be a prompt-builder.
Exactly but with a nice easy frontend for non tech people who find this a little daunting. Guide through with questions. no idea. Maybe I'll stick to geology 🙄
Build it and maybe they will come. 🤷🏻♀️
Was more thinking invite others to build together. Some have curiosity and fear or confusion. I'm personally trying to build some insane shit foryself but when speak to other geologists, they're just not comfortable going out of their lane. Same applies to many and it's always a question to me: how many creative ideas are achievable with a less daunting perception.
I think the future is everyone having their own client. I just build for myself. I use Nostr a lot and it's worth it for me to have something that does what I want.
Most people are just scrolling the kind 1 feed, without even hitting the ❤ . They are fine with any dumb viewer, and are happy to have the content preselected, so they don't need anything more complex.
Might be something to that since I am doing the same thing.
Mixstr is just a vibe code experiment for me, aimed towards how I think a client should be.
If I ever get this stable / performant enough to where other people want to use it cool. If nobody ends up using it then I had fun with the experiment.
I appreciate the sentiment but not quite sure "fuck them" fully reflects the collaborative framework I was envisaging
Oh that's a personal choice but you won't find out if they give a fuck unless the door is left open
It was like that with the Internet, as well. Most people only ever got a heavily prechewed, corporate-gulag version of the Internet. The ability to vibe-code your own apps doesn't change that, as the people doing the coding were the people who figured out the Internet. It's the same people.
A lack of interest and intelligence carries a cost. You get fed what other people have prepared for you. That is the way of the world.
😂😂
Trying yours out to compare it to the one I was building for similar reasons.
I envy how well yours performs, mine has been a lagfest from the getgo and I fear the Ai will never be able to optimize it lol.
@armstrys agreed, nostr lives or dies on the same test, if running a relay needs a war chest the whole point is already gone
There's been money put into Nostr? From who?
Jack Dorsey, Odell, and Human Rights Fund, mostly.
FREEDOM + DECENTRALIZATION is to be PRACTICED by PEOPLE
not written in any charter /constitution - devs / code cannot enforce or give anything to normies or dummies herding in one app or one relay
Cool. So is that JetPack Compose you are using? I soon want to get into Android development
Yes.
