Have you ever heard of Purse. io? Shut down a couple years ago and definitely not decentralized, but offered a useful service for Amazon orders with Bitcoin. Wondering why nobody has rebuilt it. Perhaps also not enough volume.

There's true in that. on the other hand all those things are impractical to use (not enough production) and very easy to scam you (been there). so p2p shirnks to people I know personaly and I trust them.

Oh yes, I knew that. It's just that the narrative of not spending Bitcoin has taken hold, so we are totally harmless to the state. If you have to sell Bitcoin for fiat currency in order to buy things, it means that the state has you totally under control and on top of that you're going to pay taxes on your Bitcoin.

Open Bazaar was one of my favourite projects, and I tested it when it was active, but there were a few bits which they were never able to decentralise. Nostr market places have got to be the future for using Bitcoin.

Openbazaar had an escrow system like Bisq or Robosats, it was very reliable.

not to be a contrary cunt but is it possible that instead of the "don't spend your coin" mentality people are looking at their potential purchases and thinking i'd rather spend dollars, euros etc while they buy me x amount. the sats are worth more to them in storage than in the system. i say this as i used btc to buy a lifetime usage of simplelogin. for some spend and replace others may have what they have and aren't fully orange pilled yet. Also strike is hitting my inbox hard on the BTC backed loans. no shade to Jack but i have no investments to back yet. leave me alone

i use(d) all of them. They are great. just look at this:

Learn RoboSats

Fiat Best Practices

Documentation, Guides and Tutorials of the RoboSats Exchange

not to mention that receiving random amounts of fiat will get your account closed.

there's a more scary variant that you pay taxes in bitcoin. not everyone can/is willing to go black (not even gray)

Open Bazaar was really the killer app to kick off bitcoin adoption. I was so excited to replace ebay, etsy, amazon and all locals classifieds and shit that are totally not used centered and only focused on profit max out. But somehow we were only a few in this boat, to understand what Bitcoin was all about. Hopefully it will come back in another form and we will have a second (third ? Fourth ?) chance.

we have markets on nostr now.

Plebeian Market

is the project i'm involved in, mostly doing fixes and features on it. the subject of an app like this, and relays, all on tor... allows for decentralizing even the tor service (with multiple relays synced to each other over tor), as well as the potential for turning the app into a native desktop/mobile app, in fact most apps will already happily use tor relays.