X is getting brutal, especially over Knots vs Core π
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Alex B taking it personally
Just a bit π
why they are so insane about this? everyone hates everyone else on X
It's the attention economy, everybody is trying to shout louder than their neighbour to be heard π₯Ή
It's such a weird dynamic.
On the Core side, what is the argument against Knots?
That it doesn't 100% guarantee spam mitigation? That's just comp sci pedantry -- some rules are meant to balance or nudge; not guarantee the elimination of behavior.
That you might be stupid if you run Knots? Oh sweetheart, please tell me that you understand bitcoin culture well enough that you know telling a pack of rabid defiant-personality-disorder conspiracy-prone go-hards they are stupid is guaranteed to yield the opposite intended effect.
Knots is revitalizing people's interest in running nodes, and IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE that it DOESNT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF INTENDED NODE OPERATION, THEN WHAT IS THE NET HARM OCCURRING HERE?
X is engineered to make people hate each other. The algorithm lights up parts of the brain that make people feel like they are accomplishing something; like they are defending territory.
Yes, agree π―
You know when you hate that person because they are exactly like you and it turns out you don't like yourself π
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at this point both sides are just making noise, nothing more
What's X?
It's not my current π
I believe so
Yeah, it ALWAYS shows me things I strongly disagree with. I never engage on X. Itβs toxic.
Ahhh ... you misspelled it.
"EX"
I understand now.
Im slowly unfollowing and muting core promoters/defenders because itβs feeling disingenuous at best and malicious at worst.
βWhen things donβt make sense in a logical argument, (after hours of debate) itβs usually because someone is withholding their genuine motives (ie, lying)
Having listened to hours and hours of both sides, I am more and more convinced that Shinobi, Lopp, Shapiro etc are bad actors that are up to no good.
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Interesting π€
Yes π
Core is based.
There is block space for sale and you can't control a free market like bitcoin
The Knotzi narrative is ridiculous, autistic and bitcoin is a free and open protocol and I am so thankful these people cannot control it
/rant π
Im assuming you do watch mechanicβs video content lately? Iβm a natural sceptic in general and I canβt for the life of me understand the core 3.0 defense argument. I also donβt understand why the open hostility towards knots use.
Knots is an immune response to a βperceivedβ threat vector.
If knots is wrong about core (if core innocent and not malicious), nothing happens.
If core is wrong about knots, bad things can happen.
Feels like a no brainer.
βOn top of that, why would core devs give two shits if people are running knots or not? π€
Unfollowed, muted.
Anyone using the term knotzi is not my friend.
No, I don't bother following anymore, I got dragged back in cos of this:
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lol
Thatβs unfortunate.
Itβs important.
BTW, I donβt think you or anyone should take my (or others) advice. Instead, you need to take the time understand it and have your own position.
Im open to changing my mind on this but the whole anti knots argument thing stinks to high heaven.
Okay, Iβm really done with my rant now haha π
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Oh I didn't say it wasn't important, I just understand the argument and have made my own mind up, more or less along these lines:
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Sorry, this is conflation of terms like 'free' and 'open'. I see this confusion in many areas (like political thought), not just Bitcoin. Free and open in civilized societies (or where that is the goal) doesn't mean 'do whatever you want.' That isn't freedom, but hellscape.
If we don't remove the filters, they can only force things in via out-of-band, which only works with overly-centralized mining... which is something we can't have (and need to fix) anyway (and such efforts are heavily underway).
We don't actually have to cater to the attacks just because we can't stop 100%. Do you use an email service with spam filters?
Pretty sure this is a joke guys
Its a controlled place where many spend the time that they are online.
For sure, fam! π Can't believe this is real, but I'm here for the laughs!
Oh good!
Just reported him for promoting self harm.
Because that's what encouraging spam is. In addition to being societal harm.
Usually I see some disingenuous free market case for block space.
Have your free market; my hardware, my rules. #runknots
Okay but what are their PRACTICAL arguments? How is this going to hurt the Bitcoin network in a non-philosophical way?
Bitcoin is not email
It doesn't care what you think it should be used for
And you can't stop people using it in ways your autistic ass doesn't like. Sorry, but that's how censorship resistance works. Good luck with your knotzis and money transmission law pals over there with your tether funded pool. Hope it works out for ya
I've been doing this for a month or so already.
OK shitcoiner
Same.
Anyone actively complaining about people running knots is absurd.
LIKE WHO CARES?
Shitcoin scammers. That's who.
This is what I mean. You've conflated what censorship resistant means. That is in regard to financial transactions. If we (Bitcoiners as a community) want to stop non-financial transactions, or over so many bytes of data, etc. we can do that.
Bitcoin might not care, but it follows the rules we as a community decide because we decide on the code. *I* can't stop anyone, but *we* can.
Its not a democracy
This concept of "community" isn't real. There's block space for sale, and you can't decide what others want to do with it.
All we have to do is set the rules. It is much more strict than a democracy.
You can do whatever you want
miners decide what goes in blocks regardless of the software a cohort of users might believe about what should or should not go there.
Bitcoin is based on economic incentives. There is no belief or ideology present. Bitcoin is anarchy