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Retroshare nice looking project but locks out 95% of the world by not supporting mobile
Explain it to me like I'm 5.
> No relays. Actually p2p.
> Abandons JS, embraces Rust and Unix tech.
I'm not going to lie to you and say these aren't things that make me happy
Why are there no timestamps?
mmmh sounds good. i hope everyone who uses mainly mobile dies in cancer anyway.
Great, it’s even harder to use than Nostr.
could be the move
Is it like Keet? WTF is it?
Or is it like an IM? Then how is it different from 0xChat?
Meh. Keep trying. Something will stick to the wall eventually. Keep cooking.
I get it: "Enjoy silence with us." Honesty is so convincing. Comparison with other social media: "No users. :D (but it's fixable!)" ✔️. Motivation: "What's more fun than making your own social network, and then being the only user on it, right?" ✔️. This is going to be fun. It looks as if the value of the up-and-coming networks lies in the fact that they are too small, too niche, and too quiet for the vicious, the boring and the posers.
Social networking in and of itself is gay and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
fiatjaf
The social networking dream has finally come true:
GitHub
GitHub - dpc/rostra: Rostra is a p2p (f2f) social network.
Rostra is a p2p (f2f) social network. Contribute to dpc/rostra development by creating an account on GitHub.
Fully peer-to-peer, very decentralized, uses Iroh and Pkarr, binary payloads, signed messages, merkle trees, advanced synchronization mechanisms, personas mechanism, traverses NAT, DHTs, really good modern and IETF-approved cryptographic algorithms, written in Rust.
h/t
@mlinksva who first told me about rostra
Sub identities. Personas. Tell me more.
There is going to need a way to migrate #nostr profiles (including followers list) if this new tech wants to have a chance to dethrone Nostr. Network effect is hard enough to build, users who have invested time in Nostr won’t migrate without a clean migration process for what seems to be marginal benefits (better decentralization?).
Personas are an interesting concept.
Probably something like BIP85?
I have no idea if this is being posted sarcastically or not.
Is this cool? Lol
Sounds curious. Almost sounds a bit like urbit to me (but I know nothing).
I couldn't find much more info /mention of it anywhere. It's listed here (nostr also included in list lol)
GitHub
GitHub - vishalxl/decentralized-web-projects-list: A list of all projects that aim to make the web more decentralized
A list of all projects that aim to make the web more decentralized - vishalxl/decentralized-web-projects-list
fiatjaf
The social networking dream has finally come true:
GitHub
GitHub - dpc/rostra: Rostra is a p2p (f2f) social network.
Rostra is a p2p (f2f) social network. Contribute to dpc/rostra development by creating an account on GitHub.
Fully peer-to-peer, very decentralized, uses Iroh and Pkarr, binary payloads, signed messages, merkle trees, advanced synchronization mechanisms, personas mechanism, traverses NAT, DHTs, really good modern and IETF-approved cryptographic algorithms, written in Rust.
DPC hates js more than just about anything 😂
You say "binary payloads" but are they geographically neutral or English-centric? 🤔
Better decentralization isn't marginal
Bye, this is my last post ever on nostr 👋
0xchat isn't p2p
No no, I called it an IM. I know it’s not p2p like Keet
So you don't want decentralized censorship resistant social media
Don't pretend you do
How does p2p make it awesome?
This is quite a rabbit hole
Guy talks about SSB, I only know that as a radio band
Mentions it having a way to ensure all messages are received? That's a big issue with nostr
What’s effectively different in this rostra thing from Keet? That it’s Nostr based?
Decentralized & censorship-resistant if they actually have it working
BitTorrent and cryptocurrency are the best examples
On chain transactions just work because they're P2P, lightning fucks up all the time because it's more centralized
BitTorrent just works because it's p2p, Netflix fails all the time because it's more centralized
Not sure yet
Keet is sus and I just found out about this new thing 5 minutes ago, it might be sus too
Cool, so that’s the beauty of p2p “if it works”! Thanks for the great explanation
If it works, it just works 🤙
Everyone hates js once they see the fabric of time
Well, crypto and BitTorrent work pretty well
That’s why
@fiatjaf is excited 😂😂
If I remember the history correctly, bittorrent took a few tries to get right after rethinking other p2p file sharing systems like Napster
Amazing how Satoshi Nakamoto basically made cryptocurrency on the first try 🔥
Okay, total doofus question
Wasn’t Skype p2p before Microsoft bought it?
Maybe partly but with a centralized server for logins and stuff, I think
Just googled it. Skype was initially p2p
So,
@fiatjaf is inventing the Skype of 2008 😂😂
Skype never quite worked well though
It's very important to reach that point where it just works, so it keeps just working
Maybe the #nostr protocol will make p2p more doable
We should at least have p2p data integrity assurance / clients cooperating to audit relays whenever you interact with a post from a user that's currently online
I’ll pretend I understood that 😂😂
Thanks for explaining the benefits of p2p though
I think spinning up a new pubkey is the same. Or even deriving it from a master nsec. I don't think this complexity should be part of the main protocol.
Rename it to Drivechain.
No.
This is really cool, but I don't understand the artificial restriction of not being able to see replies to your posts from people you are not directly connected to
Indeed. It is one of its biggest limitations.
Another problem is the fact that it's not available in many programming languages for those who would like to integrate it with other things, such as Nostr itself.
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