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Do you think Bukele is more like a dictator or a king?
a legacy given versus legacy earned
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If individual men could become sovereign and bitcoin is sovereign money do we scale kingdoms by liberating the individual and empowering men to be masters of their own fate. Kings among brethren and brothers of kings?
I contend that yes...
It is as easy as picking up the mantle of responsibility. With it you gain both kingship and freedom.
Never ask a barber if you need a haircut…
Familial monarchies appear to be the only system that have incentives aimed at the enduring good of a nation. Monarchs are incentivized to leave a legacy of relative peace and prosperity to their heirs. But this system too eventually falls victim to overreach, greed and corruption. I don’t think there is any way out of the anacyclosis of a nation’s constitution, postulated by Plebius. Humanity will always be messy and history will always be on a sine wave.
@Prince Filip gets it. Serbia just moved up my list of countries to immigrate to.
Prince Filip
Ah, still in the democracy phase, I see. True freedom is rooted in strong private property rights, best preserved in kingdoms with low time preferences, where long-term stability fosters traditions, family values, and timeless aesthetics. Monarchies prioritise legacy over fleeting majorities. Read some Hoppe; the monarchy stage awaits your enlightenment.
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We will see when the next election happens
Does it matter.
Benevolent in front of each is what’s more important.
I’d take a benevolent dictator rooted in Christ over the current corrupt government in the US.
George Washington not taking up the mantle of king was the biggest mistake in US history.
King for sure, wish we could have someone like him in the US.
No kings but Christ, thank you. Saying we need a king is the same as saying we cannot rule ourselves.
Interesting. Does Bitcoin inherently promote monarchy?
I’d say hyperlocal, economically-focused, proof-of-work derived oligarchies with geographical ties to valuable resources, economic processes.
I’d wager he’s referring to protocols vs platforms, not meatspace governments. Ex. Nostr vs Twitter, FB, etc
They are both legacy systems that will be forever relegated to the dustbin of history in a generation as the emergence of an almost inconceivably equitable, elegant and durable “Bitcoin Standard” envelopes the planet….🌍🧬🦋
Ah, still in your "archy" phase, I see.
View quoted note →I would say the same if I were a prince. Just saying.
Monarchies collapsed
“freedoms not fiefdoms” would’ve been sharper, in my royal opinion of course
There's a time and a place for all forms of govenrment, but in the end, they all devolve and morph into something evil.
https://image.nostr.build/fcb45eb1b3b6fb79d9201e918551b6e8aba284da7a96be605e44c41d79b97a27jpgI’d argue #Bitcoin disrupts that cycle. By anchoring governance in sound money and immutable rules, it halts the moral and financial decay that perpetuates the devolution of all these systems.
The great thing about bitcoin is that it provides limitations to the power of benevolent dictators and makes their office concievably viable. All other dictators not on the bitcoin standard invariably destroy their countries and grow inpower and despotism through control and manipulation of the money. A benevolent dictator on the bitcoin standard cannot.
Funny how I’m the only prince actually saying it. Just saying.
Maybe you're right, or maybe this cycle is part of nature and not meant to be broken.
I've read Hoppe too and I think the point is not wrong. But Hoppe also argues both democracy and monarchy are meh. 🙃
Monarchies didn’t just collapse. They were deliberately dismantle to make way for systems that excel at short-term power grabs but fail miserably at long-term stability, tradition, and protecting our property rights. Funny how that worked out, isn’t it?
One is a race to the bottom with high time preference. The other is incentivised by low time preference. My money’s on #Bitcoin aligning with the latter. That’s why I’m here I guess.
Enter #bitcoin
The Bitcoin era will have its own unique flavour of Monarchy. Monarchs, or perhaps better described as anarchs, with a kingdom as large and complex as the competency Nature granted them allows; perhaps a family farmstead, perhaps a town. Let ten thousand Caesars bloom.
Monarchy's legit because the monarch has been chosen by God. In a godless society this means they have no good reason to rule. So good luck with restoring monarchy. It's a decoration in the West at best. At worst it's an unnecessary expense
I agree that what we have is not perfect and perhaps not even good but this doesn't make an easy case for the system you're advocating for
Which is a shame because if the king is good then country does well
In the past, farmers got together and appointed the strongest as king to protect their property. Today we have bitcoin and can protect it ourselves. Each of us
Neither democracy nor monarchy, anarchocapitalism (natural order)
Jack censors sitting presidents and hosts kiddie pron.
Funny… and here I’ve always thought The Great War put an end to all of that “Monarchies are wiser and more peaceful” bullshit.
Guess not.
I’m not advocating in favor of monarchies here, but rather wondering how Bitcoin might affect/shift the balances of power in existing political systems and societies.
regression, progression, wax and wane.
rediscover tribes & family, cycle completes.
Hoppe does indeed favour the natural order as the ideal, but even he acknowledges that monarchy, as a ‘privately owned government,’ is a superior step compared to democracy.
#Bitcoin acts as the bridge, paving the way from monarchy to a decentralised natural order by aligning incentives and securing private property.
Let’s not forget, #Bitcoin didn’t exist when Hoppe wrote Democracy: The God That Failed.
Hello Prince do you want to be a guest in our podcast?
History proves prosperity comes from free markets, not inherently from democracy and definitely not interventionism. Democracies, as we’re now seeing in the West, are prone to eroding those very markets and individual rights over time.
Hoppe highlights that monarchy, as a ‘privately owned government,’ has stronger incentives to protect property rights and foster long-term stability compared to the short-termism of democracies.
#Bitcoin changes the game. It secures private property in a way no government or authority, monarchic or democratic, can ever interfere with. Maybe it’s time to rethink where true protection of rights lies, especially private property rights and individual sovereignty. On an incentives basis, monarchy is better aligned to promote low time preference behaviours and ensure generational stability.
Why not? Dm please good sir.
Jesus is always King 🙏. Earthly monarchies, when done right, aim to reflect His divine order, protecting traditions, family, and stewardship. And thank God for #Bitcoin, a tool for nothing but truth, aligned with these values.
Personally, I don’t see how bitcoin favors any particular governmental form. I expect bitcoin will dampen & mitigate the worst impulses of •all• governments.
Irresponsible inbred monarchies and corrupt corporatist democracies alike have debased their currencies to empower their incumbent cantillionaire classes. That’s a much bigger problem, I would argue, than what particular form the government takes.
I find enormous hope and optimism in the fact that all governments everywhere now exist in a world where sound money is a thing. None of them will escape it.
History does not support your argument. Today’s reality does not support argument. Why would I ever want the future to look like the Matrix again? I respectfully decline.
While Hoppe critiques democracy and occasionally presents monarchy as a better system, he ultimately advocates for a stateless, anarcho-capitalist society where private property and voluntary exchange replace centralized political systems altogether.
You realize that America's elected monarchs have far more power than the monarchs of England ever did, right? Perhaps it's best such power is not granted for life. But the Deep State abides, and the presidential residuum of power increases from one office-holder to the next...
These are the type of debates I’m here for
I would take monarchies everyday over democracy
Why would I ever want to be subordinate to another man? because of title?
Monarchies and kingdoms are NOT freedom.
Proven for centuries.
Bitcoin paves any path.
I actually like you as Filip, the bitcoiner.
Although I don't like you presenting yourself as a supposed Prince or entangling bitcoiners in your cause...
Yes. Nepotism and corruption is not exclusive to democracies. Just like Biden excuses and pardons himself so did no one hold King David accountable for conspiring to murder a man after bedding his neighbour wife.
I think that a bitcoin standard will help us transcend all systems to a higher and more just form. Like gold is better than fiat. Monarchies in most cases is better than communism.
I believe that there should be different systems competing for viability on a bitcoin standard.
The cream will rise and the muck will settle.
We don't need one absolute form of governance but many. The free market will show us what is valuable and what works.
But as for me and my house, we bow to no man. We keep our word when given and measure merit through consistency in action.
Politics and national identity fades and seem paltry when compared to how brightly Bitcoin shines.
It is possible to attribute some of the benefits of technological advancement to the fruits of democracy confusing the reason for the advantage.
Liechtenstein has a constitution under which the king is subordinate and the country is economically very ordered and prosperous compared to democracies that are looking more and more like third world communist shitholes.
The correct question is, do you need a monarch when property rights are inviolable.
Instituting a Monarchy requires a man be presented and through a consensus mechanism be elected. (Vote, counvil of elders etc.) Most Monarchies are democratically established but democracy normally ends where raw power begins.
People establish monarchies because of uncertainty and doubt. Wanting to abdicate responsibility in favour of centralised organisation of human resources.
It is possible that the richest of the rich bitcoiners debose the banks as systems of power like the bankers conspired against the Monarchs.
We will see, either way I believe the world is healing. Anyway, Jesus is King. And we are all Satoshi.
God actually advocated for and originally established a Theocracy.
I think going through all phases and systems is part of humanity being reconciled to him as beings who understand the nature of good and evil. We are becoming more like him. Ironic that the snake in the garden was actually speaking the truth. Because through the sacrifice of Christ on the tree we shall surely not die, and we shall our knowledge of evil but choosing good.
I think we need a system where both democracy and monarchy can coexist as described in the book "The state in the third millennium" by Hans Adam II of Liechtenstein. It's the same idea that was at the base of the ancient Roman republic.
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This is the kind of conversations needed on the Bitcoin scene.
Prince Filip
Ah, still in the democracy phase, I see. True freedom is rooted in strong private property rights, best preserved in kingdoms with low time preferences, where long-term stability fosters traditions, family values, and timeless aesthetics. Monarchies prioritise legacy over fleeting majorities. Read some Hoppe; the monarchy stage awaits your enlightenment.
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Most princes are forbidden to speak on any political issues, god forbid the Tories are preffered above Labour and vice versa.
If you can speak freely you are free indeed.
Tako je! Mi zato imamo Vučića cara! 🥳
There is an enormous and ever-increasing amount of potential power in the US presidency
There is a tiny and ever-decreasing amount of actual power
A president could realize that potential, which will be called fascism, dictatorship, etc - despite being perfectly Constitutional
Pretty sure that'll end up in some #dune esque #dystopia
Hoppe prefers a private-law society to even monarchy (and I agree with him).
I do think a propertarian monarchy is an improvement over a divine-right monarchy, and a divine right monarchy is a (marginal) improvement over democracy (for the reasons Hoppe argues).
Why does the king get to charge you to use the port? In a propertarian monarchy, he owns the port. No special rights or deviation from the rule of law is needed. However, if the king has the right to suppress the construction of alternate ports (on others' land), or to demand that you not offload goods to small boats to avoid the use of any port, this is outside the bounds of what property can accomplish.
In a divine right monarchy, the crown is free to abuse the rights of the people. The king charges you to use the port because he has the power to do so, and the blessing of God over all his actions. He can and will forbid alternatives. Perhaps he gives the blessing of "monopoly" to favored associates.
I repeat my recommendation to you of HSH Hans-Adam's "The State in the Third Millenium". Modern states are undergoing a crisis of legitimation, in which divine blessing is no longer seen as sufficient to justify the power of the political elite. The stopgap has been democracy, but increasingly it is only a tenuous theoretical link (as in Washington & Brussels). The suggested alternative is genuine consent and the transformation of modern states into peaceful service companies (eg with guarantees of a local right of secession, as Hans-Adam promoted in Liechtenstein).
Just when I thought your outdated hereditary title was meaningless.. turns out you kept using it in the hope that ruling over "fleeting majorities" becomes a thing again.
Keep your hopes up...or better yet, work to earn your keep
I think he means that Bitcoin is a honesty mechanism that changes the fundamental nature of all systems.
also known as tribalism?
No, tribalism is statism
Happy to see you continuing to use nostr! 🤙
When it comes to politics I would say Swiss democracy is the best alternative. Switzerland is the freest country in the world, with a tried and tested model.
But yeah for sure we can have and have had great kings too but history has shown that monarchies fail too, and fail often.
The Swiss model has shown to resist and thrive everything. Nazi Germany, the EU, etc, etc. Liechtenstein also has a similar model to Switzerland.
But to each its own, freedom of alternative always :)
Easy you kick out troublemakers. That works
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I have followed more people in this thread than I have in a long time. So thought-provoking.
Free market anarchism is a better term.
Is the Great War what Americans call world war 1? If so, those were not monarchies. They had monarchs, but those figure heads don't really deserve the name. Those warring nation states all had legislatures, which is where the real power was. The problem was the legislative bodies, not the monarchs, who were sometimes literally kidnapped and coerced into approving the desires of the oligarchs in the diets.
I don't think bitcoin favors monarchies. I think it extends their decision making process to more people, which is a boon to any system.
I mean each tribe would have its own private property and law
Yes, yes, in that sense yes, of course.
I'm not against ☺️
Sorry, I misunderstood you
nothing to be sorry about. I'm no expert in ideologies its just what came to mind when i read it. thanks for sharing ❤
Prince Filip
Ah, still in the democracy phase, I see. True freedom is rooted in strong private property rights, best preserved in kingdoms with low time preferences, where long-term stability fosters traditions, family values, and timeless aesthetics. Monarchies prioritise legacy over fleeting majorities. Read some Hoppe; the monarchy stage awaits your enlightenment.
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Man, these people will say anything to stay relevant! Throw some #btc in it, and you got yourself a following. Dude, Serbia is no Kingdom and you are as much a Prince as that other dead guy who used to sing, Your Grace.
