It's gonna be hilarious when we reach the point that it appears half of the network is running Knots and yet absolutely nothing changes regarding activity on chain. 🙃
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All that happens is knots nodes slow down block propagation times
Hahahaha
I will change to Knots too.
Thank you for throttling your reputation as well as cores.
Nodes have no incentive to relay what they consider spam. Why does this bother you so much?
You mean like how the absolute majority of op return are under 80 bytes? Exactly.
oof, the hubris in this post is off putting. 50% of node runners flipping to knots in less than a year isnt something to scoff at
Can you tell me more (in neutral terms 🙂) about how Knots is different from Bitcoin Core?
Is it more configurable than Core? Does it have different defaults than Core?
And is it the case that - at the moment - the size of the accepted OP_RETURN is the most interesting/controversial difference in what the various nodes are accepting in the mempool?
Bitcoin Core has been co-opted. They favor scammy span on the blockchain. They are getting paid by shitcoiners to damage Bitcoin. Bitcoin Knots nodes reject spam.
Your answer hasn't been helpful, as it's full of emotional rhetoric, and I don't see any information in your answer.
Are you trying to say "Knots has a zero-byte limit on OP_RETURN?". That's the kind of answer that would be helpful
My guess is that only a small number of OP-RETURN-unlimited nodes are sufficient to get those transactions into blocks. Would you agree?
Those nodes will get the transactions into the miners, even if there are millions of OP-return-small nodes. Right?
False. The incentives are more accurate fee estimation and faster block propagation.
You incorrectly assume it will be due to Core node runners switching to Knots.
The most substantial difference is that one is a project with hundreds of regular contributors and peer reviewed code while the other is a sole developer whose code doesn't get peer reviewed.
Knots nodes still accept "spam," they only delay their acceptance of it to their own detriment.
Yep
The cope from core is hilarious. You can't stand it that you aren't worshiped like you think you deserve, and people are choosing not to run your garbage. Keep crying.
I sense you're playing games.
False. That would be an actual incentive if people couldn’t go to mempool.com to get fee estimation if they suspected the estimation from their mempool was not accurate.
Marginally faster block propagation, but at what cost? Propagating trash? No thanks
You are always free to trust third parties to your own detriment 🤷🏼♂️
I don't need your worship because I understand how data propagates over the network. You can run whatever you want and it won't stop the spam you detest. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Is that what you tell your customers at Casa when they trust the fee estimation the app provides them?
“Give us your money, but use the fee estimation on the app to your own detriment” lol
Then who cares either way, let people follow their principles.
I've been trying to quickly catch up with the details of Knots. Is this true:
- it's new, and hasn't been reviewed much
- it limits op_return to 42 bytes
- today, Core has a limit of 80 bytes
- but the next release of Core will have no limit on op-return
- both clients transfer data via the normal Bitcoin client relay network and not over any other network; i.e. neither of them use any other network
I'm trying to write neutrally, to get the facts straight. I'm very aware of the spam/op-return/unspendable-utxo debate, I just don't know much about Knots specifically
You and I have never interacted before, and you don't know who I am. I just asked for practical details of what the differences are. E.g. do they have different op-return limits?
It seems to be common in Bitcoin to announce "Bitcoin core has been co-opted", such as during the BCH arguments. This tells me nothing, other than you dislike Core.
I want facts, as I will be forming my own opinion.
Knots has existed for over a decade IIRC. Yes, lacking rigorous peer review.
Sounds about right.
Also right.
There will still be limits, just much higher.
Right.
And both clients have the same policy on forwarding Ordinals and Inscriptions?
(Although, I guess it's not easy for clients to even tell if the Ordinals and Inscriptions are present [and spammy])
semantics. whether they flip or come online fresh is still a result of core’s behavior. core has a PR problem
Knots has stricter rules and tries not to relay transactions perceived to be non-monetary in nature.
If nothing is changing then what’s the issue
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Listen to Matthew Kratter's Bitcoin University viddie on YT. He dopes it out in full detail.
I've seen enough videos on that channel. I pretty much agree with him, but he also wastes a lot of time in his videos ranting
And I don't like the dumb video titles and thumbnails:
This is a dumb part of one of those videos
Why would miners follow Cores direction on this?
There are other problems with the video, but I'll keep watching
Kratter is a trader, relying upon him for technical explanations is quite foolhardy.
Another important reason users are running Knots as opposed to Core is Core doesn't allow for home mining. Or the #Bitaxe community is growing pushing more users to run Knots.
This surprises me, but thanks for the input! Surely most home miners have their miners connected to a (Core) node?
Are you just saying that Knots has extra features and integrations to help it work with home mining?
Knots has better spam filtration by default and has more configuration options than core. Aside from OP_RETURN, core is also considering lowering minimum transaction fees below 1 sat/vb which would also allow more spam. Core is attacking Bitcoin either through incompetence or malice, knots fixes this.
Knots accepts unlimited-op-return transactions once they have been mined
Is there a (credible) plan to introduce an OP_RETURN limit in the consensus rules?
So core is destroying Bitcoin and there is nothing we can do about it. Cool story bro.
This is at least a viable answer. I still don't see a good reason to prefer partial blocks over more fees, but if that's what people want it requires a change to consensus, not mempool
Isn't that the whole point?
Core Devs are encouraging spam and people are switching to knots to prevent that spam from taking over.
So like if everyone switches to core and "nothing changes" that's actually the whole entire point.
They are trying to prevent a negative change from happening
If everyone switches to knots and nothing changes I meant to write
The fact that bad actors are upset about people switching to knots makes knots seem like the best alternative
We should thank Core Devs, their arrogance and corruption. Has convinced so many of us who previously weren't running nodes that wait actually we have a responsibility to this network and we have a responsibility to fight against spam and bad actors who want to destroy or misuse the blockchain for spam
Not surprised a spammer would be spreading disinformation about the benefits of spam
Shameless
Is it true that the more nodes would reject a certain transaction, the higher fee will be needed to get it into a block? Hence making it harder to spam?
Yes I mean take a longer look if you haven't already clearly advertised right in our faces centralizing decentralization that makes sense yeah
Nope.
I think you mistake amusement for anger. I find it entertaining.
Logically it makes sense but I guess there will always be nodes with little integrity who would accept the unwanted transaction.
I'm saying: make it harder to spam, not impossible. If a transaction is rejected by some nodes, it is more likely for it to be outpaced by the widely accepted transaction. So in order to make sure it gets into a block, the spammer might need to increase the fee. Especially if he's in a hurry. What am I missing?
Yes. Anyone wanting to mine to their own pool using their own node with #DatumGateway have to be running #Knots. I'm not one for censorship and I think the non-fungibility of BTC is being overlooked by many so I'm thinking of running another node with core installed so I can keep playing with Bitaxe-like miners and still support uncensorable bitcoin.
Then what's your answer to this? 🧡🫣
Massive nothingburger FUD that's being recycled from a decade ago.
Can you show me something where it's mentioned 10 years ago? Been a Bitcoiner 5 years and never heard this angle before. 🤔
Dismissing something as FUD isn't an argument. Please explain how willfully storing and relaying CP is not possession with intent to distribute.
#theyknotlikeus