Seeing so much LLM-related content on Nostr finally made me realize how leftists or other types of people must feel when they try to join but see so much Bitcoin stuff and adjacent stuff. Doesn't matter who is right. Relay-based segregation is urgent and imperative.

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Basti 6 months ago
Well then you could question why all of us are even here. For us to consume other peoples stories and opinions someone has to produce them. The fucking clankers are un-genuine the same way the old engagement bait economy is.
I meant all the pointless comments in hope of getting zaps, not the good content that deserves the zaps. I'm here because of the lack of censorship and the lack of "algorithm".
Here here. "Relay segregation" = "Mastodon with extra steps" Sure, you still own your identity under this scenario -- but if you can't effectively participate in the network without having a relationship to "someone's server", that effectively defeats the purpose of a decentralized network. I'm about 1 year in here, and I 2nd everything you say about the culture -- Nostr's great for anything about Bitcoin, and more generally privacy tech, but it's culturally "shallow" for anything else, like for instance #startrek , or other subjects that would have 10k+ people talking about anywhere else on the internet. All of that stuff I bridge in from Mastodon. Here's what works: Web of Trust. Either in the generic sense of, cultivate a follow list, watch who they boost / repost, add them... Unfollow people who don't add value... etc. Use tags to find new content, or relevant "news" outside of follow lists. I don't f with relays, or very little. I like @fiatjaf 's "trending" relay and some of the other single-purpose relays he's made, but other than that, I'm just "send my stuff to any relay who will accept", and vice-versa for specific npubs or tags I want to see.
i've designed a decentralized gig protocol and built a reference client for it and am attempting to get the word out about it. i stand to gain exactly 0% from it. it's not my fault that a bot was more eager than most humans to engage in a permissionless economic system. ( @dhalsim notwithstanding! he picked up a task, too)
I'm not impressed. You don't post enough about shit like Gaza, neither does fiatjaf, you're both retards that make nostr trash
Yeah, that adds to my point, thanks for mentioning your history of muting me Never helped me spread the word about my projects either
Relays are the best integration point for building feeds. Generic clients that can display a feed from a single relay and reply via outbox do not have to concern themselves with the UX of building these feeds.. Jumble was a gamechanger and shows this model works well and is performant. RelayTools-android is modeled after this with more list and nip86 support. Having a personal relay be your 'endpoint', gathering and computing this for you in the background is really nice. I've started modeling this in the lab, on a raspberry pi5 with strfry router. The content is there, it's just drowned out by lots of noise, which can easily be filtered by hashtag curation and web of access. Just look at wss://aquaticchickentheory.nostr1.com for an example of this working in the wild. The relays act as layers or filters themselves and you can source those into another 'personal relay' where you build your own ultimate feed. For example of a personal relay endpoint I am using github.com/relaytools/feedbuilder to construct an augmented follows+lists feed on my local network. It gathers everything I care about and I can read it directly without burdening my client with all these complex rules and connections. So yeah, it's not only possible, it's the best way to nostr imo.
Now see, here's a good use for all those LLM bots -- create personas for each Starcraft character and have them post on Nostr with their animated unit portraits 😅
Yeah, TBF, I haven't actually played StarCraft in years... I picked this PFP because I wanted something that was animated and referenced "20th century gaming"... 😁 But yes, that's correct, community building happens one npub at a time. That's how I've done it at least. We don't need to build walls around relays, servers, etc. There are so few people here to begin with, my problem has never been "I need a velvet rope to keep those people out", it's been "how do I find people to talk about things that interest me?"
Have you seen the proposal for project zymogen or the progress on my older N64 project proposal? Clients that handle mutes poorly are in the spirit of nostr
Leftists are working on nostr and selling bitcoins ? There are things happening that the people do not see ? In bitcoin world you can buy and sell to communists, this is a crazy world. All without say that fiat money is a shit that mantain the bitcoin world. #CrazyWorld
Why does left/right leaning matter? Also, why should this be solved through relay segregation, rather than shared follow lists, use of hashtags (and, if we ever get them working, Reddit-like communities)?
Project Zymogen is to merge nostr with radicle for P2P git repos, there's a dev working on it in early stages. And the other thing is retro-crypto with preview builds that can generate a nostr key on a Nintendo 64, soon to have air gapped encrypted messaging as well & then air gapped nostr event signing in the future. The N64 thing is mainly a novelty and awareness driver. Zymogen is a bigger project, actually adding a new component to the nostr network (not relying on relay servers or JavaScript). Fiatjaf and other major npubs have never promoted any of my projects either. I repost posts from people who have me muted and the result isn't that I get respect, it's that after years here I'm still drowned out by gm posts from insiders View article → View article →
i skimmed the Zymogen bounty just now. i'll read it closer today. i am very pro p2p - especially for git - but i remember being turned off by some token aspect of radicale.
Radicle used to be based on some crypto token but not anymore. I was discouraged by it having no one click seeding like torrent clients have, but that's also fixed with zymogen / crad (what the dev named the repo)
Segregated relays also don't protect from spam (not more than general-purpose ones). The issue you mention seems about the global feed. I think it's almost bound to be shit, but it can be addressed via hashtags.
Segregation splits content flows and makes them workable, clients can mix them for the user. It doesn't stop spam it makes it easier to make a first step of narrowing things down. Hashtags don't split the flow, they just help you track something you're interested in. We're asking users to drink from the sewer (from the outsider perspective) and then telling them to use a filter straw. Users need to be able to find the likeminded crowd as a starting point. then get to know people, pick and choose, find hashtags they want to pay attention to, etc. none of that is going to happen if the startingpoint is a firehose of people who are all about some thing that you don't vibe with. They're just going to leave.
We hear you at Dyne! planning next moves as we do have already a curated environment for human exchange, just needs landing on nostr in the form of relay based segregation. To the code!
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Dusk 6 months ago
Não engana ninguém, coitado... burro demais.
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Dusk 6 months ago
People, not groyper trolls. Three days.
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Dusk 6 months ago
Dont you recognize the mirror anymore?
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Dusk 6 months ago
Terzi, your victims go way beyond Ishak. Deal with them all.
Aliás, sua bio está bem contraditória. Corrija lá. Pai? Filha? "Eu sou o Pai", mas ao mesmo tempo ele "ele me assediou"? 🤣 Usando pronome masculino para pessoa trans? Vai lá, corrija. Aliás, seu jeito de escrever lembra muito o do Ishak, que coincidência...
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Dusk 6 months ago
You have three days. Off.
Nunca vi alguém defender outra pessoa com tanto empenho e com tanta disposição para criar novas NSECs. Acho que nem o "próprio" Ishak teria. 🤣 Não se preocupe, a Luiza pediu para eu deixar o Bostr.
Querido, você leu a minha capa? A Luiza pediu para eu deixar o Bostr. Suas ameaças de tortura, assassinato e ocultação de cadáver já tem mais de 2 anos. Toma vergonha na cara. 3 dias é muito 🤣 image
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Dusk 6 months ago
Não há prisão, meu querido.
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Dusk 6 months ago
Temos todo o tempo do mundo.
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Dusk 6 months ago
Vá à polícia. P seu próprio bem.
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Dusk 6 months ago
Pois Rei do Gado
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Dusk 6 months ago
Pardal Vitta Ishak Terzi Bernardes +2 nomes surpresa q vc jah sabe
Tome seus remédios. Busque saber a verdade. Pare de comprar histórias prontas. Aprenda a evitar doxing. Estude computação. Pare de caluniar terceiros, chamando-os de "golpistas", "pedófilos" e até mesmo "Nazis".
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John Satsman 6 months ago
Sounds like you’re interacting with them not us since nostr shows you what you search for. I haven’t seen a nazi or a groyper on here at all. Anyway this is a waste of my time. Muted.
Suas vítimas de calúnia e difamação não foram poucas: Dark, Sophia, Dusk, Decentraliza, Lea, Luiza, Lordun... Esqueci de alguém? Pare de caluniar terceiros, chamando-os de "golpistas", "pedófilos" e até mesmo "Nazis".
Até a sua bio é contraditória. "Eu e mais meninas fomos vítimas", depois "eu sou o pai". Usando pronomes masculinos para pessoa trans novamente. Em um perfil eu sou ultra right, no outro pertenço ao "núcleo progressista". Melhore.
Só para constar, a minha conta ficará eternamente ativa, ainda que eu opte POR LIVRE E ESPONTÂNEA VONTADE ir para uma rede social mais saudável e menos tóxica. A qualquer momento poderei me logar novamente. Se eu sou filho do Sílvio Santos, por que darei ibope para a Globo, usando-a como minha rede de TV principal? Não faz sentido.
Essa parte aqui ó: "@npub1n4st260vuvdsdev4tjm6t80fesld26dvv93ndvvkcah3lqfax7hqse4mvu [npub de Lea] is a fraud - one year ago and now is trying to pin his [pronome masculino] crimes on who caught him [pronome masculino mais uma vez], besides threatening two minor girls, me included [me? e no final diz que é o pai?] Sério, melhore. Isso tem nome em inglês, chama-se "Misgendering", que é diferente de usar o nome civil (deadnaming). Estude, sério. Melhore. No perfil de "Lucille" eu sou um "groyper" (ultra direita, em suma); no "seu", eu já pertenço ao "núcleo progressista". Sério. Busque ajuda, Ricardo.
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Ish4k 6 months ago
Terzi: adeus. TIC TAC.
Você que é. Ela assediou "Lucille"? Não seria eu? Aquela é a NPUB dela, não minha, logo os pronomes deveriam ser femininos, caso sua fake news esteja se referindo a ela. É tanta bizarrice nonsense que nem vale a pena perder tempo comentando.
Just someone neutral, not reactionary like you. "Nostr needs Nazis and racists" - fiatjaf "How can we ban Bluesky from Brazil?" - fiatjaf Freedom of speech only for some, not for others?? Don't you see the contradiction? image
One great feature of Nostr (which you would understand had you spent more time learning and less time getting outraged) is precisely that fiatjaf has absolutely no power on what content is allowed on it. You have 100% freedom to post content that offends fiatjaf, or anyone else. fiatjaf isn't Nostr. The author of anything isn't the thing in general, but fiatjaf especially isn't Nostr. That being said, the post in question is most likely a response to Brazil banning X. By the same censorious token, it should ban similar platforms. Of course, I'm for free speech for all, I don't think any platform should be banned, anywhere. Oh, and another great feature of Nostr is that all posts are verified through a cryptographic signature, meaning screenshots are worth absolutely jackshit, only verifiable events mean something. Screenshots are for retards, stop using them, link to events: .
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The Flash 6 months ago
He's just very very pqp muito very pkrl stupid An a con artist A very stupid con artist
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The Flash 6 months ago
Who creates characteres to talk to himself and "build" whatever he thinks is WoT image
If you dedicated your time to studying, you would know that "moderation" on Nostr is done by the users themselves who practice dogpiling against those they dislike, and that relays can censor you. You would also know that "retarded" is an ableist term and that freedom of expression should be for everyone, on any protocol.
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Lol loser
> relay can censor you If you are a retard, yes. If you configure your relay options properly, so as not to trust any specific relay at all, no, they cannot, unless all of them agree your post is worth censoring, in which case you can just run your own relay. As for the opinion of retards like yourself as to what words I should use, I do not care, retard.
On Nostr you can set a "username" and a "display name". Your display name is "John Satsman", while your username is set to your public key. Some clients prefer usernames (which are typically more Reddit-style), others prefer display names (which are typically more Facebook-style), but they serve the same purpose.
You need to shut the fuck up until you actually read the spec, so you have a clue what you are talking about. The outbox model prevents the network effect, retard.
Anyone who uses a client that shows usernames. Also at one point you did care enough to set it up, but somehow managed to fuck it up (how do you fuck that up?), so I thought you still might.
Sim, Ricardo. Liberdade em todo e qualquer protocolo, diferentemente do Giovani que parece querer o banimento do Bluesky no Brasil. E eu só usei o termo idiota porque ele usou o termo retardado. Lembra que eu disse que apenas revido? Pois é... Next fake NSEC please!
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Ricardo 6 months ago
Sabe oq eu acho? Eu acho que foda-se
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Terzi 6 months ago
E para d falar sozinho senão Dr Fernando Antonio fica bravo
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Terzi 6 months ago
Vc sempre se apaixona pelos seus personagens, tem q parar c isso
I know what it is, the page explains it correctly and it is not the same as mass adoption. It describes cases where the utility of something is determined by those that already adopted it, which applies to platforms like X, but not to Nostr relays (not with the outbox mode).
I'm interacting with my own client, which I wrote, and which supports the outbox model. I can't stress this enough: you are worth nothing as long as you don't read the spec and prove you can actually put it to use.
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John Satsman 6 months ago
Oh well. Won’t be the last thing I “fuck up” lol I hope thinking about my nostr profile keeps your gen z aspie mind up at night. 0/
You don't even have a Lightning address set up. 😅 I'm not talking about that. You don't read what I write. Even with your own relay, that won't make you immune to haters, trolls, and people who call others retarded for no reason, like you.
You aren't missing much, trust me. The retard in question kept making inaccurate claims about Nostr, while accusing it of being a "Nazi protocol". One such claim was that censorship could happen via the network effect (which it hardly can with the classic inbox model and cannot via the outbox model). It turns out, he thinks "network effect" means "mass adoption" (the actual meaning is that the utility of a service relies on its other users. A service can reach mass adoption without network effect, they aren't nearly the same).
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There is no such thing as Left and Right. . Unless you want to support our manipulative oligarchic overlords, segregating people into these meaningless categories is as old as it is stupid. The political spectrum is a myth.