Seeing so much LLM-related content on Nostr finally made me realize how leftists or other types of people must feel when they try to join but see so much Bitcoin stuff and adjacent stuff. Doesn't matter who is right. Relay-based segregation is urgent and imperative.

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Basti 5 days ago
Well then you could question why all of us are even here. For us to consume other peoples stories and opinions someone has to produce them. The fucking clankers are un-genuine the same way the old engagement bait economy is.
I meant all the pointless comments in hope of getting zaps, not the good content that deserves the zaps. I'm here because of the lack of censorship and the lack of "algorithm".
Here here. "Relay segregation" = "Mastodon with extra steps" Sure, you still own your identity under this scenario -- but if you can't effectively participate in the network without having a relationship to "someone's server", that effectively defeats the purpose of a decentralized network. I'm about 1 year in here, and I 2nd everything you say about the culture -- Nostr's great for anything about Bitcoin, and more generally privacy tech, but it's culturally "shallow" for anything else, like for instance #startrek , or other subjects that would have 10k+ people talking about anywhere else on the internet. All of that stuff I bridge in from Mastodon. Here's what works: Web of Trust. Either in the generic sense of, cultivate a follow list, watch who they boost / repost, add them... Unfollow people who don't add value... etc. Use tags to find new content, or relevant "news" outside of follow lists. I don't f with relays, or very little. I like @fiatjaf 's "trending" relay and some of the other single-purpose relays he's made, but other than that, I'm just "send my stuff to any relay who will accept", and vice-versa for specific npubs or tags I want to see.
i've designed a decentralized gig protocol and built a reference client for it and am attempting to get the word out about it. i stand to gain exactly 0% from it. it's not my fault that a bot was more eager than most humans to engage in a permissionless economic system. ( @dhalsim notwithstanding! he picked up a task, too)
Yeah, that adds to my point, thanks for mentioning your history of muting me Never helped me spread the word about my projects either
Relays are the best integration point for building feeds. Generic clients that can display a feed from a single relay and reply via outbox do not have to concern themselves with the UX of building these feeds.. Jumble was a gamechanger and shows this model works well and is performant. RelayTools-android is modeled after this with more list and nip86 support. Having a personal relay be your 'endpoint', gathering and computing this for you in the background is really nice. I've started modeling this in the lab, on a raspberry pi5 with strfry router. The content is there, it's just drowned out by lots of noise, which can easily be filtered by hashtag curation and web of access. Just look at wss://aquaticchickentheory.nostr1.com for an example of this working in the wild. The relays act as layers or filters themselves and you can source those into another 'personal relay' where you build your own ultimate feed. For example of a personal relay endpoint I am using github.com/relaytools/feedbuilder to construct an augmented follows+lists feed on my local network. It gathers everything I care about and I can read it directly without burdening my client with all these complex rules and connections. So yeah, it's not only possible, it's the best way to nostr imo.
Now see, here's a good use for all those LLM bots -- create personas for each Starcraft character and have them post on Nostr with their animated unit portraits 😅
Yeah, TBF, I haven't actually played StarCraft in years... I picked this PFP because I wanted something that was animated and referenced "20th century gaming"... 😁 But yes, that's correct, community building happens one npub at a time. That's how I've done it at least. We don't need to build walls around relays, servers, etc. There are so few people here to begin with, my problem has never been "I need a velvet rope to keep those people out", it's been "how do I find people to talk about things that interest me?"
Have you seen the proposal for project zymogen or the progress on my older N64 project proposal? Clients that handle mutes poorly are in the spirit of nostr
Mastodon doesn't amplify anything neither does nostr. Stop making up fake bullshit left right crap that doesn't exist. USA are run by zionists pedophiles this isn't about left or right
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Hide&Seek 5 days ago
Leftists were the first to adopt bitcoin for activism purposes 🤔
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Fenix 5 days ago
Is this what relays are supposed for? isn’t?
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Krystian 5 days ago
careful, this line of thought can lead to deafening echo chambers..
Leftists are working on nostr and selling bitcoins ? There are things happening that the people do not see ? In bitcoin world you can buy and sell to communists, this is a crazy world. All without say that fiat money is a shit that mantain the bitcoin world. #CrazyWorld
Why does left/right leaning matter? Also, why should this be solved through relay segregation, rather than shared follow lists, use of hashtags (and, if we ever get them working, Reddit-like communities)?
Project Zymogen is to merge nostr with radicle for P2P git repos, there's a dev working on it in early stages. And the other thing is retro-crypto with preview builds that can generate a nostr key on a Nintendo 64, soon to have air gapped encrypted messaging as well & then air gapped nostr event signing in the future. The N64 thing is mainly a novelty and awareness driver. Zymogen is a bigger project, actually adding a new component to the nostr network (not relying on relay servers or JavaScript). Fiatjaf and other major npubs have never promoted any of my projects either. I repost posts from people who have me muted and the result isn't that I get respect, it's that after years here I'm still drowned out by gm posts from insiders View article → View article →
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John Satsman 4 days ago
What’a leftism got to do with Bitcoin? Also, they have reddit and bluesky. Leftists can join here though. People here seem mostly neutral, but i guess neutral to a leftist means far right but that still doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t use bitcoin.
Radicle used to be based on some crypto token but not anymore. I was discouraged by it having no one click seeding like torrent clients have, but that's also fixed with zymogen / crad (what the dev named the repo)
If I publish an event to a segregated relay, it will be broadcast to another relay. So events will leak to other relays.
@Nostria supports private lists already, here is a recording that shows it they work. Just make a new list under People section, mark it private. Then from anywhere, you can add people to this list. You can use the list to filter on Feeds, Summary, Streams, Music and more.
Segregated relays also don't protect from spam (not more than general-purpose ones). The issue you mention seems about the global feed. I think it's almost bound to be shit, but it can be addressed via hashtags.
Segregation splits content flows and makes them workable, clients can mix them for the user. It doesn't stop spam it makes it easier to make a first step of narrowing things down. Hashtags don't split the flow, they just help you track something you're interested in. We're asking users to drink from the sewer (from the outsider perspective) and then telling them to use a filter straw. Users need to be able to find the likeminded crowd as a starting point. then get to know people, pick and choose, find hashtags they want to pay attention to, etc. none of that is going to happen if the startingpoint is a firehose of people who are all about some thing that you don't vibe with. They're just going to leave.
We hear you at Dyne! planning next moves as we do have already a curated environment for human exchange, just needs landing on nostr in the form of relay based segregation. To the code!
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John Satsman 3 days ago
There’s no such thing as a “far right protocol” that’s not how it works.
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John Satsman 3 days ago
No not just in practice. Anyone can get an nsec/npub pair and start posting. It’s literally neutral
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John Satsman 3 days ago
Trans has nothing to do with sexuality or ethnicity. Sounds like you’re the racist bigot. But that’s ok. Nostr is an open protocol and everyone can be on here. Even racists and bigots or the 3 nazis that are still alive.
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John Satsman 3 days ago
Nostr and bitcoin are neutral. I want my enemies to be able to use both. I think bluesky is just laughable honestly.
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Dusk 3 days ago
Não engana ninguém, coitado... burro demais.
Aliás, sua bio está bem contraditória. Corrija lá. Pai? Filha? "Eu sou o Pai", mas ao mesmo tempo ele "ele me assediou"? 🤣 Usando pronome masculino para pessoa trans? Vai lá, corrija. Aliás, seu jeito de escrever lembra muito o do Ishak, que coincidência...
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John Satsman 3 days ago
Sounds like you’re interacting with them not us since nostr shows you what you search for. I haven’t seen a nazi or a groyper on here at all. Anyway this is a waste of my time. Muted.
Suas vítimas de calúnia e difamação não foram poucas: Dark, Sophia, Dusk, Decentraliza, Lea, Luiza, Lordun... Esqueci de alguém? Pare de caluniar terceiros, chamando-os de "golpistas", "pedófilos" e até mesmo "Nazis".
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Dusk 3 days ago
Golpistas, pedófilos, nazistas.
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Dusk 3 days ago
Três dias, Terzi. Tchauzinho.
Até a sua bio é contraditória. "Eu e mais meninas fomos vítimas", depois "eu sou o pai". Usando pronomes masculinos para pessoa trans novamente. Em um perfil eu sou ultra right, no outro pertenço ao "núcleo progressista". Melhore.
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Dusk 3 days ago
Eu acho que nem você sabe do que está falando. Pq eu não sei. Três dias, tchau.
Só para constar, a minha conta ficará eternamente ativa, ainda que eu opte POR LIVRE E ESPONTÂNEA VONTADE ir para uma rede social mais saudável e menos tóxica. A qualquer momento poderei me logar novamente. Se eu sou filho do Sílvio Santos, por que darei ibope para a Globo, usando-a como minha rede de TV principal? Não faz sentido.
Essa parte aqui ó: "@npub1n4st260vuvdsdev4tjm6t80fesld26dvv93ndvvkcah3lqfax7hqse4mvu [npub de Lea] is a fraud - one year ago and now is trying to pin his [pronome masculino] crimes on who caught him [pronome masculino mais uma vez], besides threatening two minor girls, me included [me? e no final diz que é o pai?] Sério, melhore. Isso tem nome em inglês, chama-se "Misgendering", que é diferente de usar o nome civil (deadnaming). Estude, sério. Melhore. No perfil de "Lucille" eu sou um "groyper" (ultra direita, em suma); no "seu", eu já pertenço ao "núcleo progressista". Sério. Busque ajuda, Ricardo.
Você que é. Ela assediou "Lucille"? Não seria eu? Aquela é a NPUB dela, não minha, logo os pronomes deveriam ser femininos, caso sua fake news esteja se referindo a ela. É tanta bizarrice nonsense que nem vale a pena perder tempo comentando.
Just someone neutral, not reactionary like you. "Nostr needs Nazis and racists" - fiatjaf "How can we ban Bluesky from Brazil?" - fiatjaf Freedom of speech only for some, not for others?? Don't you see the contradiction? image
One great feature of Nostr (which you would understand had you spent more time learning and less time getting outraged) is precisely that fiatjaf has absolutely no power on what content is allowed on it. You have 100% freedom to post content that offends fiatjaf, or anyone else. fiatjaf isn't Nostr. The author of anything isn't the thing in general, but fiatjaf especially isn't Nostr. That being said, the post in question is most likely a response to Brazil banning X. By the same censorious token, it should ban similar platforms. Of course, I'm for free speech for all, I don't think any platform should be banned, anywhere. Oh, and another great feature of Nostr is that all posts are verified through a cryptographic signature, meaning screenshots are worth absolutely jackshit, only verifiable events mean something. Screenshots are for retards, stop using them, link to events: .
If you dedicated your time to studying, you would know that "moderation" on Nostr is done by the users themselves who practice dogpiling against those they dislike, and that relays can censor you. You would also know that "retarded" is an ableist term and that freedom of expression should be for everyone, on any protocol.
> relay can censor you If you are a retard, yes. If you configure your relay options properly, so as not to trust any specific relay at all, no, they cannot, unless all of them agree your post is worth censoring, in which case you can just run your own relay. As for the opinion of retards like yourself as to what words I should use, I do not care, retard.
On Nostr you can set a "username" and a "display name". Your display name is "John Satsman", while your username is set to your public key. Some clients prefer usernames (which are typically more Reddit-style), others prefer display names (which are typically more Facebook-style), but they serve the same purpose.
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BLM 3 days ago
You shold also know that "idiot" is an ableist term and that freedom of expression should be for everyone, on any protocol.
Sim, Ricardo. Liberdade em todo e qualquer protocolo, diferentemente do Giovani que parece querer o banimento do Bluesky no Brasil. E eu só usei o termo idiota porque ele usou o termo retardado. Lembra que eu disse que apenas revido? Pois é... Next fake NSEC please!
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Ricardo 3 days ago
Sabe oq eu acho? Eu acho que foda-se
I know what it is, the page explains it correctly and it is not the same as mass adoption. It describes cases where the utility of something is determined by those that already adopted it, which applies to platforms like X, but not to Nostr relays (not with the outbox mode).
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John Satsman 3 days ago
Oh well. Won’t be the last thing I “fuck up” lol I hope thinking about my nostr profile keeps your gen z aspie mind up at night. 0/
You don't even have a Lightning address set up. 😅 I'm not talking about that. You don't read what I write. Even with your own relay, that won't make you immune to haters, trolls, and people who call others retarded for no reason, like you.
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the axiom 3 days ago
I can't see the note you're replying to, but I guess it's someone asking you if you know what network effect is
You aren't missing much, trust me. The retard in question kept making inaccurate claims about Nostr, while accusing it of being a "Nazi protocol". One such claim was that censorship could happen via the network effect (which it hardly can with the classic inbox model and cannot via the outbox model). It turns out, he thinks "network effect" means "mass adoption" (the actual meaning is that the utility of a service relies on its other users. A service can reach mass adoption without network effect, they aren't nearly the same).
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the axiom 3 days ago
makes no sense to me what they were thinking how can mass adoption create censorship?
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