How can we get Bluesky banned in Brazil now?
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Make Bolsonaro join
Does anyone using it?
I don't think there is any need to ban it
Should we get in there to graffiti the walls and litter it with memes?
Creating fake profiles and irritating the Brazilian dictator?
Oh no. 😜
Surely some people are BlueSky folks and other folks are Nostr folks.
😂
No. Nostr is for everybody, we want everybody and we need everybody. It doesn't work if Nostr is just full of people who agree with each other all the time.
that'll naturally work itself out. in the mean time, neatly spam bluesky with nostr onboarding content.
Why would I want to?
I disagree. 🧌
No, it doesn't just seem that way. It explicitly is. I have no interest in winning by way of using government to ban my competitors and neither should anyone else who values freedom.
Pede para o Alan dos Santos fazer uma conta lá.
Bluesky is doing everything the government want. Bluesky sit on left side of Alexandre de Morais
Nah, we should find Ronaldinho to shill #nostr
Hilarious 🤣
@Allan Dos Santos por favor, faça uma conta lá.
Bluesky bridge, Bridgy Fed 😅
Kkkkkkkkkkk
Ou o Monark
🤣
I agree with your disagreement. It’s not that we agree to disagree. It’s just that we agree on disagreement that only agreement can be found on Nostr.
Just let us brazilians do our thing. It will be banned soon.
😬
True
Then everyone must agree to use nostr. We must create yestr as well if we want to capture everyone.
It needs to be super centralized and censorious, just make ypubs easy to convert to npubs so people can migrate easily.
I’ll asking @rabble now🤣
NO. let's join forces
(we're all in this together)
nostr is a movement
of the people by the people for the people
Another bad take
😂
I really don't get it... what is all this "free speech" advocating by one hand, then calling for more platforms banned with the other hand?
Last time I checked people talk freely about Nostr, Bluesky and other platforms on X, there are even entire accounts dedicated to competing platforms over there. But when I come here, a platform that is regarded as the "future of censorship resistant networks", I stumble upon posts like this, inciting to censor other platforms, posted by the very own creator of Nostr.... what is this shit? 🤷🏻♂️
Supreme court can try that...
Hydra heads show its worth😉😉
what she said is BILLION times better than asking for platforms get banned... I thought people here were against that SHIT!
I read fiatjafs note as a troll/sarcasm. Only a centralized platform can be banned. (IE blue sky masquerading as decentralized) You can’t ban a protocol. (NOSTR)
She thinks free speech should be curbed.
jo 🇺🇸
freedom of speech must be balanced with other human rights
Give this judge clown time.
There’s been quite an influx the last 24 hours, at least that’s what the bluesky folks are saying
The state of Brazil.
my brazilian friend and i exiled in Estonia 🇪🇪
(a couple of years ago)
😇
Yeah I understand that, I'm not a technical guy but I understand decentralisation... Regardless of that, I believe every expression of human creativity and ingenuity should be allowed to exist and offered for people to freely choose.... But there also should be some form of moderation because I wouldn't want my kids for example (If I had any), to be exposed to ALL kinds of content, there are stuff not meant for minors to see or to read about, out there in the wild and I don't mean just porn, there are also thoughts, ideas, information in general, that could be harmful for the young minds or just misleading at best.
Sometimes seems like people here are kind of extremists, yeah we all love Bitcoin and it will always be the greatest, but people here quickly disregard all kinds of new technologies inspired by the greatest, that build upon it's principles and expands utility beyond store of value and financial freedom.
This offspring of ideas sprung from Bitcoin was bound to happen sooner or later, good deeds inspire others to follow and contribute, expand and further build upon that foundation.
Lmao
Make fake Brazilian accounts and go and post about whatever it was they considered disinformation. Switch VPN to Brazilian servers
It was pretty obviously tongue in cheek.
Nostr isn’t just censorship resistant. It is fully censorship-proof. You cannot be censored on Nostr.
It's taking a shortcut. Blue sky, too, will eventually be banned too so let's just preempt this by asking for a ban right now.
so, you're basically saying everything else should be shot down, just because it's not decentralized enough... nothing else other than Nostr deserve to exist?
are you even against what's happening in Brazil? because that mindset sounds pretty fuckin similar to what that dude Moreais (or whatever) is doing there 🤷🏻♂️
Tongue in cheek means it was something of a joke. He might not have been kidding, but that’s how I took it 😁
But I agree with you. It isn’t our place to cause the banning of other platforms. I believe Nostr will win on its own merit.
I don’t disagree with any of this. Lots of stuff on the internet I wouldn’t want to see or my child to see.
I think the “how” to have the best online experience is what most debate on. Government involvement in that just corrupts it and is a slippery slope as we have seen. “Content mediation” (if we want to call it that) should be in the hands of the platform/relay owners solely with the final say at the individual level with mute or block.
@Gabriel he's joking, it's a joke
Including the NSA/FBI and CSEC/CSIS?
Yestr day...
All my troubles seemed so far away
I agree
When bluesky runs out of VC money . Game over.
It’s just a waiting game now. They wont make it, ignore the inflated SV numbers.
Your wrong! 😉
This is the greatest note I’ve read in a while
This is the worst note Ive read in a while.
You all are wrong.
I agree. Same for Bitcoin. It is for everybody. It’s for you and me and BlackRock and the US and Chinese governments and whoever else wants to embrace it. When we have everyone on a money standard that cannot be debased value will tend to be naturally distributed to everyone according to their contributions. Fiat aristocracy might even get a head start, but they can’t enslave people forever on a hard-money standard.
Why would they admit defeat they will pay polito to ban them win win excpt fir the loser citizenry
That's not how congregations work.
exactly, nostr and btc are for everyone.
Agreed 100%. I'm against personal offense, calumny, detraction, fake news and so on. Apart from this, the bigger ideological friction, dissension and discordance here, the bigger will be Nostr.
Proof of work money in turn demands value to be earned. Aristocrats may have a head start, but if they fail to add value they will lose the lead. This will be the biggest step our societies have taken toward true meritocracy.
This was probably the best note I read today.
@Derek Ross give this guy a membership.
You're so humble.
🎯
@hodlbod is so smart he can outsmart himself. and that’s the smarts.
rage monkey 🐒 🤓🍿
Believe me it happens all the time in SV. Just be patient.
I agree! Wait...
É nois!
DRossed will be a Nostr verb one day.
You’ve been DRossed and anointed by the king himself! 👑
#DRosStr
Upset Xandão
Bluesky is kicking Nostrs ass, as far as new users
No, you're mixing me up with @gsovereignty
Ya know, I've had ppl tell me this on the street, be a good boi, be patient ... so wierd I could care less for SV its a shithole I hope I never have to step into ...
these are the same person.
With the same precept
chat, BlueSky... tem certeza que quer que o Twitter migre pra lá?
eles usam atproto que em teoria deixaria mais complexo remover conteúdo por ordem judicial
e a empresa não tem sede no Brasil
Tweet from
@lucas_montano
I just love this sentiment....this is exactly why I'm here...we need each other...some people are here to entertain...some of us are here to see how free it really is.....
Ya, we really need the people who will force us to agree with them , can't wait for that🙄
Liked this note to prove a point
I shotgun speaking for Australia 🇦🇺
I need to make this membership a badge and start assigning them 🥹
I agree.
💯
No, they are for anyone not everyone
NOSTR isn’t for everyone. But it is for anyone.
Just replace "nostr" with "Bitcoin," and the relevance remains the same. 🫡
Please leave the shitcoins out 😂
Not just me, also my horse
I suppose one advantage of Nostr is that those people can't literally force you to agree with them. They can't actually get your banned for instance. So although they can behave in an extremely toxic and aggressive way, they can't actually do anything to you. And so maybe the argument is that the presence of more people strenghtens the network.
Are u sure about the LinkedIn people?
Fuck you. I completely agree.
It's awesome to be different and have varied interests and perspectives for the greater good of all Nostriches! #GrowNostr #PlebChain #BTC
We don't need to do anything. It's a dump, and it's full of insignificant homunculi.
Very true
Omg
So true, Nostr is also for your greatest enemy
“My boss fucked my wife. This is what I learned about leadership”👇
Note that Elon Musk actually banned people from referencing certain other platforms, one of which was Nostr.
He received so much backlash he repealed that policy (it lasted very shortly), but he did.
(But that's expected, Elon was never for free speech).
Also note that you absolutely can talk about Bluesky, X and other platforms on Nostr.
There is nothing and there has ever been nothing preventing you from doing so, by design, you can even make a profile just for that.
Stumbling upon posts like this doesn't prevent you from doing so, because fiatjaf has no power to censor you on Nostr.
Nothing is censorship-proof, much less Nostr.
It is, to some extent, censorship-resistant (specifically, it's resistant to corporate censorship).
Yes, but Nostr is very resistant, even to legal censorship
No, because the government can still arrest you and block relays.
They could also grant themselves permission to overflow Nostr with so much noise it would become unusable.
Pretty sure we can combine Nostr and Tor. They've already tried to destroy Nostr with bots
Oh, so your plan is to hide your identity?
If so, congrats! You have been censored.
Your fundamental human right to freedom of speech, which includes the right to publicly associate your identity with your name, has been curtailed. Your words have been reduced to those of an anon, whether you like it or not.
That said, Nostr can already be used behind Tor. Some relays are hidden services.
Now imagine a government deciding to invest a few tens of millions (or hundreds, if they decide it's critical) just to flood Nostr with spambots.
How are laws a problem of a protocol? And regarding censorship resistance of nostr: it seems very theoretical. If a relay disappears and someone uploads a backup to another one, it will continue to work. But who is doing that? Maybe someone does, that is not a property of nostr protocol just an action of an individual. Practically if government decides to block every public relay nostr will have to start from zero on tor.
Nostr, even in its inbox mode, is censorship resistant in the same way, an to the same extent, using multiple platforms is.
If I follow you on X and you post something Elon Musk doesn't like, he can censor you and I can't see your post.
If you use X and Facebook and YouTube (I'm still talking about microblogging, YT does allow text posts) and whatever else and I follow you on all platforms and you post everything on all those platforms, Elon Musk can't individually censor a post so I can't see it, nor can Zuck, nor can any other corporate owner.
Your government, if your identity is known, can still put restrictions on what you say or, if it's authoritarian enough, turn you into the finest Swiss Cheese.
No individual relay owner has any control on the flow of information from your mouth to my ears, but both of our governments can block it through the use of violence.
Of course, you can hide your identity. Nostr itself doesn't hide your identity. If anything, it makes it easier to discover because of how much it naturally spreads your IP address. But you can use it through Tor.
If you have to hide your identity not to become dead or get to know the inside of a prison cell, however, it means you can no longer associate your views, publicly, to your name. And your right to do that is a core aspect of freedom of speech (if *you* specifically wish to remain anonymous doesn't matter here). Preventing you, or anyone else, from publicly saying "I am [full name] and I think [stupid idea]" is an act of censorship governments can perform regardless of what "protocol" you use.
Nostr alone, however, is especially vulnerable to governmental censorship even without extreme measures.
First, as I said, unless paired with Tor, it makes it easy for your government to know your identity by just extorting data from your ISP or your VPN.
Second, it's extremely easy even for morons to flood with spambots and a government deciding that Nostr is bad could invest millions, tens of millions or even hundreds of millions doing just that.
Of course, governments can also hinder Nostr by attacking developers, many of whom are publicly known.
Nostr provides no protection against governmental censorship. Not more than centralized platforms. The only "protection" is they currently don't care about it. It doesn't mean its secure, it just means it's irrelevant (to them).
It does provide good resistance to capitalist corporate censorship, which is good enough. That's more than enough a reason to support Nostr and it's the whole reason I do.