This is a great way to frame this.

taxes are a scam by the ruling class, imposed through deception, which you only agree to pay out of fear.

I like this take. The problem is always us.

I agree with the direction you are pointing, so my point of disagreement is with the expression of “totally voluntary society” non-voluntary relations are inherent to the human condition. so the idea of scrubbing them out of our humanity invalidates the anthropology. mediating those necessary non-voluntary relations and overcoming the asymmetrical power dynamics has and always will be the task of civilization. and i think a main contributor of humanity continually overshooting in both directions is becuase we frame the objective/goal in fantastical/ideal terms that simply aren’t real.

Spot on @Michael Matulef , this is why I’ve been over to the Isle of Man with my children, and going again in October so we can move there in the next year …. They’ve got it right . I wish you a great day 💫

I’m going to re-use 👇 ‘liberally’ View quoted note →

Now that is the mindset. Freedom only comes with self responsibility.

100% Few understand.

your definition of "civilization" is not offered... but you made a claim to its "task". dare I infer your definition is lacking? http://worldwisdom.com/public/viewpdf/default.aspx?article-title=A_Material_Civilization_by_Rene_Guenon.pdf

? the collection of human beings co-existing in reality together at the same time does the work for you? i was using the term more generally than specifically, so if it bothers you use whatever word you prefer to mean the above. it’s funny that of all the things you could respond to in my note, “civilization” is the word that stuck out

100% agree. The more individual actors there are in a society, the better that society will be. Authoritarian centralized governments significantly reduce the amount of individual actors that can truly make a difference and it ends up seriously hurting society. View quoted note →

agree, i want my money back.

Very well said. Tax is theft!

That is pure bullshit, taxes are, although not funny when you need to pay, absolutely neccesary for a functioning society. There is a minimum for that, and a maximum. Id say 30% is neccessary

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